2024 List Management

[Syd76]

Trevor whatever it is you are smoking I want some. Totally disagree!

Hayward is a very good player. We DONT need to let him go. The whole point is that Hayward has approx 6 clubs after him shows what value he has. He does all the selfless things. This year his performance has gone up a notch.

FWIW, I do think he is the likeliest of those 5 not to resign.

[Maltopia]

Trevor whatever it is you are smoking I want some. Totally disagree!

Hayward is a very good player. We DONT need to let him go. The whole point is that Hayward has approx 6 clubs after him shows what value he has. He does all the selfless things. This year his performance has gone up a notch.

FWIW, I do think he is the likeliest of those 5 not to resign.

I hope he stays, but as I said in an earlier post, I think it is more important that we get Fox and Melican signed up before we get Hayward.

Hayward can be replaced by Jordon or Campbell and develop into that role (though Hayward is clearly a much better mark).

Adams and Parker are going to be pushed forward next year, as Mills and Sheldrick return.

Who would take Fox or Melican's role if they took up offers elsewhere? All we have is Francis, Hamling who hasn't played a full AFL game in a long time, Reid who is injured again I read (quads?) and some VFL level players currently in Arnold, Edwards and Snell.

[Trever]

I think Hayward is a very goog player and that's why it may be a good idea to cash in the chips and take a really good compensation pick. You also need some extra money to pay some of these excellent young players.

Why is it controversal to say that we cant retain every single player and make some tough decisions. How much more impactful to the side is Hayward going to get. He's not doing any midfield time. Most of the delivery into the forward line is aimed at Logan, Amartey, Mclean, Papley and Heeney when he's up forward

We will need space up forward for Parker to slot into.

If you got a late 1st round compensation pick for Hayward that would be around the same position we drafted him for. Good return for him after 8 years of service.

[cruiser]

Think we need to let Hayward go. He plays forth tall in a forward line of three big marking targets.

Luke Parker next year will need to play a lot more in the forward line as his inside midfield time will be squezzed by Chad, Mills, Heeney, Adams and Rowbottom. Sheldrick and Jordan are also pushing for inside midfield time.

Hayward needs to make way to accomadadte a late career run for Parker.

If Hayward gets a good free agency offer we may get a late 1st round pick for him.

I think we need to let Amartey go if we need the salary cap space to keep Hayward. Amartey is such a one dimensional player. The best you’ll usually get out of him is a few contested marks and a couple of goals. Hayward offers a lot more than that.

[Auntie.Gerald]

I think we need Macca signed on first before any other big calls either way

[waswan]

Could Amartey be turned into a defender like Ratougalea ?

The way i see it, he is never going to be the main man up forward and we have other options there anyway.

Id try him down back

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Been texting this morning with a mate in Adelaide who knows a couple of board members at the Crows.

A: The 10 year deal was 100 percent them (could have been someone else too, but they tried)
B: As he said: "Can you imagine him hearing the offer but then looking at us right now. Would have laughed his head off."

That was my mail they met him mid March

[Syd76]

Trevor there is nothing controversial in saying that someone should go. I genuinely believe that at the level of form that Hayward is displaying, I wouldn't want him to go. Albeit it is all relative to the compensation received, the quality of the draft as well as the capacity to replenish from within.

Though finding players who play selflessly is difficult (we have a few like Fox, McLean etc).

The capacity to replenish from within is open to conjecture. It is not that we are replete with a player like for like. It speaks volumes that so many clubs are after Hayward and I for one am not that surprised. Sounds as if you are Trevor. However - all views are welcome and thats why this forum is great. I respect your position.

[Dow]

Trevor whatever it is you are smoking I want some. Totally disagree!

Hayward is a very good player. We DONT need to let him go. The whole point is that Hayward has approx 6 clubs after him shows what value he has. He does all the selfless things. This year his performance has gone up a notch.

FWIW, I do think he is the likeliest of those 5 not to resign.

The reason Haywood has so many suitors is 2 fold, one he is a good player BUT most importantly any club that gets him will not lose any draft capital while gaining a best 22 player - you haven't mentioned this and its the best part of the Haywood deal

[stevoswan]

That’s what you can do if you spend 20 years at the bottom of the ladder collecting early draft picks. Eventually you will get it right.
There were posters on this sight that complained when we missed the finals 2 years running.
I prefer the Swans model

Hey BRS328, not having a go at you but you need to hit the "reply with quote" button then write your reply because I often have no clue which comment you are replying to, especially if it is a bit later and there has been other posts in between. I have noticed this a number of times before and wondered who you were replying to (and you make good observations!). I/we can guess and my guess here is that the above comment is replying to the previous comment saying Carlton seem to have no problem fitting good players under the cap....but it would be easier if you 'replied with quote'.

[liz]

The reason Haywood has so many suitors is 2 fold, one he is a good player BUT most importantly any club that gets him will not lose any draft capital while gaining a best 22 player - you haven't mentioned this and its the best part of the Haywood deal

But the "not lose any draft capital while gaining (or securing) a best 22 player" applies just as much to us as any other club. It's just as much an argument against him being seen as expendable, or surplus to our requirements as it is for any other club to chase him.

[waswan]

Love Fox and Melican and hope we keep them.

Fox is 31 this year and unlikely to get an offer that would see him leave.

Melican is 28 this year and due to injury Unlikely to get an offer of duration or $$$$ we wont be able to match.

Based on age and injury history it isnt a priority to sign either atm.

The longer Ollie goes the more unlikey he is to stay as I believe the rival Offers will only get bigger and be harder to walk away from, he could definately be sold on a full time mid role.

Hayward we have the right to match and believe we will be able to. To me its less likely a ridiculous offer will come for him.

All my opinion

[Maltopia]

We won’t get an end of first round pick in trade or free agency compensation for Hayward if we match an offer to force a trade, or let him go.

We got an offer of second round pick for 120 gamer George Hewett. Look at what we got for Rohan and also Zac Jones.

So I think the best we would get is a mid to late second, or a speculative future second.

The funny thing for me is, all our discussion re Hayward may be pointless given how quickly and quietly the Rowbottom and Errol deals got done.

Eg, they may be very close to signing already and most of us have no idea at all!

[liz]

Or maybe the reason he’s not signed yet is that the Swans haven’t got to making him an offer. I read somewhere recently (though can’t remember where, but it was in the mainstream media, not a forum) that he wants to stay but the club has been prioritising other contract renegotiations.

With James and Errol done, and hopefully Logan not far behind, the club can reassess the cap situation and then start talks with Will and Ollie.

[stevoswan]

I really like the sound of this:

Why Errol Gulden turned down ten-year offer from rival club to stay at Sydney Swans

.....and the articles title and sub heading:

"Cups over cash: Swans ready to salary sacrifice for ultimate prize"

'Errol Gulden says Swans players have discussed sacrificing big-money offers to ensure team success.'

[waswan]

We won’t get an end of first round pick in trade or free agency compensation for Hayward if we match an offer to force a trade, or let him go.

We got an offer of second round pick for 120 gamer George Hewett. Look at what we got for Rohan and also Zac Jones.

So I think the best we would get is a mid to late second, or a speculative future second.

The funny thing for me is, all our discussion re Hayward may be pointless given how quickly and quietly the Rowbottom and Errol deals got done.

Eg, they may be very close to signing already and most of us have no idea at all!

The Hewett compo was to due to him being offered 4yrs on average money.

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I really like the sound of this:

Why Errol Gulden turned down ten-year offer from rival club to stay at Sydney Swans

.....and the articles title and sub heading:

"Cups over cash: Swans ready to salary sacrifice for ultimate prize"

'Errol Gulden says Swans players have discussed sacrificing big-money offers to ensure team success.'

Love it