2025 List Management

[UUaswan]

Reports Wilkie from Stkilda is unhappy and will seek a trade,
this has to be the guy we chase !

Interesting Wilkie only listed as 191cm, must be the smallest as a key defender

[lwjoyner]

no for me.

[Dow]

Interesting Wilkie only listed as 191cm, must be the smallest as a key defender

Wow ? he looks and plays much taller he’s a total gun, just what we need I reckon

[Dow]

no for me.

Any particular reason? We are in desperate need of a key defender who can both stop and intercept.

[liz]

Interesting Wilkie only listed as 191cm, must be the smallest as a key defender

Dane Rampe says "hi".

[liz]

Godfather offer: St Kilda’s eye-watering deal for Harley Reid — SEN

Seems like the Saints are really splashing their cash about. Aleer (on big money for him), De Koning and Reid on massive money. Is this really the way to build a contending list?

I would absolutely love Wilkie if he wanted out of Moorabbin, albeit if we could nab him, it would probably sound the retirement of Ramps. He (Wilkie) is 29, so should still have several years of top level footy left in him. If we think we're a contender over the next few seasons (and if we don't we should trade out Heeney, Papley and retire Grundy), he's exactly the kind of experienced, mature player who can help stiffen our backline, and thereby give the team the licence to play more of the high run, high gun, high risk stuff we dished up against Brisbane.

[imuninformedtwo]

Wilkie is a gun. A) There's no way he's 191cm - more like 194cm. Just watch him stand players. B) He's an elite intercept mark, or at worst, could free up Tom Mc to play that role. C) What's he done in a spud of a side has been remarkable. As good as what Nick Larkey has done down forward at Norf.

As for the Saints list 'build' - no, there's a reason they're a pathetic club, and when Nasiah likely walks out the door at the end of the year, it'll confirm what a doom loop they are in.

[Blood Fever]

Dane Rampe says "hi".

True but Leo Barry will always take the cake in this category. Officially 184cm.

[liz]

True but Leo Barry will always take the cake in this category. Officially 184cm.

While that is true, he played in a different era, when 194cm was a good height for a key forward, and when the rules allowed defenders to scrap and arm chop to a greater degree than now.

I used Rampe as a counter example because he is of this generation. Of course, neither Barry nor Rampe (and probably not Wilkie) is well equipped to play on the likes of Darcy, the Kings and their ilk.

[Kafka's Ghost]

Godfather offer: St Kilda’s eye-watering deal for Harley Reid — SEN

Seems like the Saints are really splashing their cash about. Aleer (on big money for him), De Koning and Reid on massive money. Is this really the way to build a contending list?

I would absolutely love Wilkie if he wanted out of Moorabbin, albeit if we could nab him, it would probably sound the retirement of Ramps. He (Wilkie) is 29, so should still have several years of top level footy left in him. If we think we're a contender over the next few seasons (and if we don't we should trade out Heeney, Papley and retire Grundy), he's exactly the kind of experienced, mature player who can help stiffen our backline, and thereby give the team the licence to play more of the high run, high gun, high risk stuff we dished up against Brisbane.

Trade out Heeney and Papley?!?!? Not in a million years.

[UUaswan]

Priority has to be the Academy, a Key Defender and a the health of our fwds.

Im scared of the Alir Trade or the Ladhams Trade where we get screwed.

[Thunder Shaker]

Wilkie is a gun. A) There's no way he's 191cm - more like 194cm. Just watch him stand players. B) He's an elite intercept mark, or at worst, could free up Tom Mc to play that role. C) What's he done in a spud of a side has been remarkable. As good as what Nick Larkey has done down forward at Norf.

As for the Saints list 'build' - no, there's a reason they're a pathetic club, and when Nasiah likely walks out the door at the end of the year, it'll confirm what a doom loop they are in.

The AFL's equalisation policy is sound in principle but has flaws. St Kilda highlights one of the flaws. Some clubs don't really hit the bottom but circle for years around the middle of the ladder, never quite going low enough to recruit several very good players via the draft, nor reach the pinnacle of being a genuine contender.

St Kilda is currently one of those clubs. Since they fell down the ladder from 2009 (1st) to 2014 (last), they have wandered between 6th and 14th. Not quite low enough to reach the bottom four, not quite high enough to be a genuine contender in the finals. This affects player retention. Other clubs currently circling the drain like this are Carlton and Essendon. Richmond used to be one as well, but they came good and managed to win three premierships in the last 8 years.

[imuninformedtwo]

The AFL's equalisation policy is sound in principle but has flaws. St Kilda highlights one of the flaws. Some clubs don't really hit the bottom but circle for years around the middle of the ladder, never quite going low enough to recruit several very good players via the draft, nor reach the pinnacle of being a genuine contender.

St Kilda is currently one of those clubs. Since they fell down the ladder from 2009 (1st) to 2014 (last), they have wandered between 6th and 14th. Not quite low enough to reach the bottom four, not quite high enough to be a genuine contender in the finals. This affects player retention. Other clubs currently circling the drain like this are Carlton and Essendon. Richmond used to be one as well, but they came good and managed to win three premierships in the last 8 years.

Up to a point, I agree with you - in theory.

But St Kilda has also massively botched their drafting and list management. They could have The Bont and Petracca on their list today. There was barely a recruiter or draft observer in the land that had Paddy McCartin (god bless him) ahead of Petracca. And a lot had the Bont coming home like a steam train the prior year. They took Hunter Clark and Coffield at 7 and 8, when a batch of better alternatives were there, and then of course there was the year they famously 'won trade week' in 2019 by effectively shipping out two years of draft collateral for Dougal Howard, Zac Jones, Brad Hill and Dan Butler. Clown show stuff.

There are a lot of own goals in that - and I say that as someone who recognises we haven't got a fair few first round picks right. But what we've never done is over-estimate our list and do something as criminally dumb as what they did in 2019.

Now, to be fair, I think some of their drafting in the past three or so years has been good - and none better than Nasiah. But they're about to lose him and the prior decade of crappiness is catching them out now.

[Roadrunner]

Godfather offer: St Kilda’s eye-watering deal for Harley Reid — SEN

Seems like the Saints are really splashing their cash about. Aleer (on big money for him), De Koning and Reid on massive money. Is this really the way to build a contending list?

I would absolutely love Wilkie if he wanted out of Moorabbin, albeit if we could nab him, it would probably sound the retirement of Ramps. He (Wilkie) is 29, so should still have several years of top level footy left in him. If we think we're a contender over the next few seasons (and if we don't we should trade out Heeney, Papley and retire Grundy), he's exactly the kind of experienced, mature player who can help stiffen our backline, and thereby give the team the licence to play more of the high run, high gun, high risk stuff we dished up against Brisbane.

Liz, what are you saying? Trade out Heeney and Paps? Retire Grundy? We’d finish bottom 3-5 if we did that! As Kafka says, not in a million years!
Who do you think we could get in their place? Grundy will retire when his game deteriorates to the point where he’s no longer worthy of being our no.1 or 2 ruckman. At present we only have Pistol Pete who would only be a no. 3 at a top 8 club. Sorry, but I don’t follow your thinking- Isaac is worth 3 above average players and even so I wouldn’t part with him!

[liz]

Liz, what are you saying? Trade out Heeney and Paps? Retire Grundy? We’d finish bottom 3-5 if we did that! As Kafka says, not in a million years!
Who do you think we could get in their place? Grundy will retire when his game deteriorates to the point where he’s no longer worthy of being our no.1 or 2 ruckman. At present we only have Pistol Pete who would only be a no. 3 at a top 8 club. Sorry, but I don’t follow your thinking- Isaac is worth 3 above average players and even so I wouldn’t part with him!

If you read what I actually wrote, it was that we should trade out/retire these players if we don't think we're capable of contending in the next few seasons. The 'if' was intentionally doing a lot of work there. The suggestion of trading out Heeney and Papley was intended to emphasise the non-applicability of the 'if' clause.