2010 Draft/Trade Resource & Discussion

[msb]

Ah let sherman go to the dogs, we dont want a player who doesnt want to be there! (ryan o'keefe excused )

[Robbo]

Huh?

He's a key position player who we really didn't give much time to. We kept smaller guys like Brabazon and Thornton for 4-5 years and gave Faulks his marching orders after just 2 injury effected years.

In the last two season's he's developed into a premier VFL backman and is still only 21. I really don't think we gave him enough time to develop.

[Posman]

I heard that interview and Pickers did sound adamant, but you can bet he's mostly playing the game, trying to make it sound to Brisbane like they need to trade with the Dogs only.

The ball is in Brisbane's court for sure. If they cave and accept the Dogs pick 30, he'll go, but if they stick solid and tell Sherman he can either go to Sydney (with the associated big bucks and play in a pretty reasonable side) or stay and fulfill his contract (still got 2 years left), surely we must be a chance.

Do the Swans want someone who doesn't want to really be at the Swans? Let him go.

[Auntie.Gerald]

main issue for Lions with Sherman was he will be on close to $800k pa for 2011 etc with Lions as he was paid peanuts in 2009 2010 due to back ended contract

Lions dont have a choice............its in Sherman, Dogs and Swans hands if we give a pick with it which I think we will !!!

[vonn__69]

Don't really want a player who has to be dragged here and if we're going to the trouble of flying up to talk to him after he has point blank refused our offer...

I don't think he'll come to sydney anyway but would love to see that in swans shorts... mmmm.

[top40]

I don't think the Swans should get too rapped in getting Sherman.

He has received just 6 Browlow votes in 114 games for his entire career. For a midfielder that's not that impressive. The best he has ever achieved in 114 games is one game in 2006 where he got 2 votes.

He was second in the Brisbane B and F, but that was way back in 2006.

And for the past four season, he has only had one completed year, 2009 where he played every game. For every other season, he has missed a total of 17 games out of a possible 66. That's only 75% of games he's played for three seasons.

[Nico]

Looking in from the outside I get this impression too. Players are traded in with a guarantee to be in the 22, Kennedy, Mummy and McGlynn for example and looking at the Swans top 10 in the best and fairest it was with justification in their cases. However it must be with a sinking heart for those who have similar skills but have not yet been given a decent tryout in the firsts. Just as Currie had to get used to the trade ins last year, with Everitt coming in there is certainly no place for Ed and Campbell Heath, and perhaps even Sam Reid, and way down the order Chris McKaigh must be wondering about their chances of a game next year and beyond, because the traded in ones are definitely there to stay.

At the end of next year a few more of the 'olds' might retire and free up a couple of spaces but for those labouring away in the less than ideal ressies comp. for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th years it must be quite demoralising. In TDL, no place for Ves. In Jetta, no spot for O'Dwyer, all about the same ages but TDL and Jetta had had the advantage of playing in a better reserves comp. and also must have been seen as having more to offer the Swans than those already on the list. I suppose that is the way it all works, some do get the breaks and some don't but I feel for those guys who don't. Good luck to Ves and also to Ed, Currie, and OD either still on the list next year or elsewhere.

Clearly the club identified a strategy they had to take when the Gold Coast was born. Every man and his dog says recruit youth and build from the bottom. Of course there always has to be young blood added to the squad. Sydney appears to have taken another tack. Identify mature players with some experience and build from the middle. So we took McGlynn and Kennedy from the AFL and TDL and Jetta from the WAFL and it would a tough marker who said we got it wrong.

This year to date we have picked up Everitt and I reckon they have identified him as either a back or forward or both. My take on the new bench rule is that the rotations will have to be largely taken up by the midfield and rucks, so the forwards and backs will have more time on the ground to compensate. IIRC both LRT and Grundy have a very high TOG. Tall forwards and backs with good motors will be gold.

[Primmy]

I am going to say something shocking here - hush, don't repeat it - but I don't actually rate browlow votes.......yes I know,massively controversial, but how can I be pleased with the way umps think! I am not for 22 games throughout the season, why would I be impressed with their version of how wonderful the midfield play?

So back to Sherman. If he changes his mind, and he thinks he could love our tribe, perhaps he could swap to the red side. But as we know, if a bloke wants to go home to Melbourne, well, he goes home to Melbourne (except Peb, but that doesn't count).

[Nich]

Home for the Worm is Tasmania I think? Anyway....how could he not want to play for the Red&White?!?!

Check out his junior clubs strip ----> Clarence FC

[Plugger46]

Huh?

What do you mean Huh? Surely it's a reasonable comment from Robbo? Has had two solid seasons in the VFL since we de-listed him and the Dockers have obviously seen something in him.

[Bas]

What do you mean Huh? Surely it's a reasonable comment from Robbo? Has had two solid seasons in the VFL since we de-listed him and the Dockers have obviously seen something in him.

I don't think he got de-listed without a reason. How many players have we had over the years that were solid at VFL level? Good luck to him but hardly likely to hurt us in the future.

[Plugger46]

I don't think he got de-listed without a reason. How many players have we had over the years that were solid at VFL level? Good luck to him but hardly likely to hurt us in the future.

Reasonable comment from Robbo, that was my point. Plenty of good AFL players around who have come out of the VFL.

[liz]

a) He got delisted for a reason, as Bas has suggested.

b) He is currently a completely inexperienced AFL player about to join the Dockers with, effectively, a lowly pick. It is hardly as if 16 clubs were clamouring to negotiate the rights to him from GC with a top 20 draft pick.

Maybe we should wait to see if he even ever plays a senior AFL game first, let alone if he goes onto become a more competent defender than the ones we actually held onto and developed, before we start self-flagellation on behalf of the Swans list management team.

Is there going to be teeth gnashing too if some club decides to take Brabazon in this year's draft?

[Primmy]

Getting rid of Faulks is looking like it has the potential to bite us in the ass.

No way. He would have been dead wood here for the last 2 years taking up room because he just did not improve after the first 3 months or so in ressies, and if it was a choice between him and MOD, then MOD had it. He also had to have his bum kicked into realising what he had to do if he wanted to play big time. And noone else picked him up when he was delisted, which was telling at the time. Good luck to him I say, and good on him for hanging in and doing a Kirky. I hope he does get picked up.

Just read above post liz; we are on the same wave length.

Wouldn't it be great if Braba got picked up too!!

[Plugger46]

a) He got delisted for a reason, as Bas has suggested.

b) He is currently a completely inexperienced AFL player about to join the Dockers with, effectively, a lowly pick. It is hardly as if 16 clubs were clamouring to negotiate the rights to him from GC with a top 20 draft pick.

Maybe we should wait to see if he even ever plays a senior AFL game first, let alone if he goes onto become a more competent defender than the ones we actually held onto and developed, before we start self-flagellation on behalf of the Swans list management team.

Is there going to be teeth gnashing too if some club decides to take Brabazon in this year's draft?

He did use the word 'potential'. Gee whiz, he hasn't said he'll be a superstar of the competition.

Brabazon had four years, Faulks had two so I doubt it. Teeth gnashing is a bit over the top I would have thought.