Tippett!!

[Velour&Ruffles]

Like him or not - it is what it is. Very sad for him. He tried but his body just wouldn?t allow him. Our disappointment wouldn?t be a patch on his. Let?s be mindful, especially those who want to stick the boot in, that he is human.

+1

His first (half) season with us and first half of 2016 showed what he could do, the gun he was, when fit. Sadly, that was not as often as anyone wanted but that?s how it goes sometimes- it?s nobody?s fault, tish happens. I?m not going to criticise the decision to recruit him because that was a decision made without the assistance of the cast iron retrospectoscope that many people now employ.

Good luck to the man, and I?m glad we were bold and well managed enough to get him. Long may that combination continue.

[Ludwig]

I found this twitter conversation from Jake Niall. It would seem that there will be salary cap relief, but the exact terms are not clear.

Jake Niall?Verified account @JakeNiallFOX

.@sydneyswans don't make too many mistakes & as Tippett's convenient retirement shows, they're good at extricating themselves from them.

9:45 PM - 21 Jan 2018

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  • Mark Pryde? @markpryde22 3h3 hours agoMore
    
    
    
    Replying to @JakeNiallFOX @sydneyswans
    How does the salary cap work Jake? Do the swans pay the full amount for the next 3 years???
    
    
    
  • Jake Niall?Verified account @JakeNiallFOX 3h3 hours agoMore
    
    
    
    They reach a settlement. If forced to retire by injury, player gets certain % under CBA. Huge cap relief
    
    
  • Oliant? @Oliant4 14m14 minutes agoMore
    
    
    
    Didn?t he renegotiate final year of contract to be spread over three years until 2020. Salary would be closer to AFL average for the final 3 years so not sure about huge cap relief.
    
    
    
    
    
    
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  • Steve? @stephenc24 3h3 hours agoMore
    
    
    
    Replying to @JakeNiallFOX @sydneyswans
    isn't the money still going to be in the cap for 18 though Jake ? how have they extricated themselves as such ?
    
    
    
    
  • Jake Niall?Verified account @JakeNiallFOX 3h3 hours agoMore
    
    
    
    Tippett was contracted for 3 more years. Limits damage
    
    
    
  • Freo ? Pope? @FreoPope 12m12 minutes agoMore
    
    
    
    All refs I've seen said he extended in 2016 until the end of 2018, not 3 more. Did he extended again after Sept last year?
    
    

[liz]

My understanding is that, prima facie, if you contract a player (whether he's been on your list for ages and you're extending, whether you draft, trade or take as a free agent), that amount stays in the cap. I'm not entirely sure which year's cap it goes into if a player retires. There have been occasions where a player remained on the club's list for an extra season because otherwise they would have had to take the entire remaining amount in the year he retired, which would have caused cap issues (Michael Voss is an example, and I think our own Nic Fosdike knew he couldn't play on the following season despite only officially announcing his retirement at the start of the following pre-season).

There is some allowance, however, for injury relief for clubs. This doesn't just kick in when a player retires through injury. Any club that has suffered extensive injuries throughout a season gets some relief because otherwise the cap would be impossible to manage. Heavy injuries usually mean more games to young players on base + match payments, while experienced players injured will typically get their entire contracted salary (as it doesn't include match payments).

The Buddy situation is a little different. I don't believe there is any condition to include his total salary that applies differently to any other contracted player. The special condition, which I think was applied because the AFL was sceptical about the length of contract, stipulates that the club can't vary the pattern of payments to Franklin, at least for cap purposes. In other words, if they happen to find a bit of spare room in their cap one year, they can't bring any of Franklin's payments forward to reduce the risk of them paying him substantial amounts (or at least, including them in the cap) after he has retired.

[bloodspirit]

Very sorry for Tippett. As Wardy expressed beautifully, nobody would be more disappointed than him and it is a sad day. He was definitely best 22 when he was at his best. At his best he was one of the better rucks in the competition particularly because he was strong in the KPF role too. What's more, I had the pleasure of meeting him and he was a lovely bloke. Most importantly, he's one of us and we look after our own. Happily, I'm sure, despite this sad turn of events, he'll be fine. He has a good lifestyle, has been well remunerated, has plenty of friends.

Will post separately about list management implications on other thread.

[giant]

My understanding is that, prima facie, if you contract a player (whether he's been on your list for ages and you're extending, whether you draft, trade or take as a free agent), that amount stays in the cap. I'm not entirely sure which year's cap it goes into if a player retires. There have been occasions where a player remained on the club's list for an extra season because otherwise they would have had to take the entire remaining amount in the year he retired, which would have caused cap issues (Michael Voss is an example, and I think our own Nic Fosdike knew he couldn't play on the following season despite only officially announcing his retirement at the start of the following pre-season).

There is some allowance, however, for injury relief for clubs. This doesn't just kick in when a player retires through injury. Any club that has suffered extensive injuries throughout a season gets some relief because otherwise the cap would be impossible to manage. Heavy injuries usually mean more games to young players on base + match payments, while experienced players injured will typically get their entire contracted salary (as it doesn't include match payments).

The Buddy situation is a little different. I don't believe there is any condition to include his total salary that applies differently to any other contracted player. The special condition, which I think was applied because the AFL was sceptical about the length of contract, stipulates that the club can't vary the pattern of payments to Franklin, at least for cap purposes. In other words, if they happen to find a bit of spare room in their cap one year, they can't bring any of Franklin's payments forward to reduce the risk of them paying him substantial amounts (or at least, including them in the cap) after he has retired.

All makes sense, but seems at adds with the statements that the AFL made at the time of the Buddy deal, which to me suggested that if you've offered a contract for that amount for those many years then every last $ would be counted for in the cap whether he played out that contract or not. Would be delighted to be proven wrong however.

[mcs]

Sad way for Tippo's career to end. While it clearly didn't work out as we planned with him at the Swans, nobody wants to see a player go out in the way he has, forced out by injury. If only his body wasn't so susceptible, he could of completely fulfilled his potential, I have little doubt about that.

Thanks for the efforts Tippo - even if it didn't result in the outcomes we hoped for! That is footy though.

[Beerman]

Clearly stevoswan and mark26 have to take the blame for this. Tippet was going great until their posts yesterday and this morning and then bam! Gone before the end of the day. Hang your heads, you two!

Seriously though, it is a shame. I understand why he might have pulled the plug now - he was probably hoping the surgery would fix him right up, but it hasn't worked out that way. It seems ankle injuries can be tough on ruckmen. Seaby was playing out of his skin when he smashed his ankle and he hardly played another game.

It will definitely impact RWO and our ability to conduct endless "best ruck/tall forward combo" conversations during the season. I think things will work out ok though. We still have the "two genuine rucks vs one ruck + forward" argument to fall back on, and hopefully one of the kids will come through and we can debate dropping an existing (hopefully in-form) player to give him a run.

[barry]

He should donate his wages back to the club. What a waste of money he's been.

It was the club that decides to pay him that amount. All Kurt did was say "ok".

Good luck to him. He's got the most out of his body and ability.

[liz]

All makes sense, but seems at adds with the statements that the AFL made at the time of the Buddy deal, which to me suggested that if you've offered a contract for that amount for those many years then every last $ would be counted for in the cap whether he played out that contract or not. Would be delighted to be proven wrong however.

I don't think what I've suggested is at odds with your understanding. Aren't we saying the same thing in terms of total payments being included in the cap?

[neilfws]

I can't believe that this thread has to end. I'll miss that the most.

[Ludwig]

As the news settles in, my feeling is that the Tippett retirement was something promoted by the Swans' management to relieve itself of an unwanted player. His injury woes, the fact that he will be 31 this year, the recent diminution of the ruckman role and having 3 other younger ruckmen who are AFL capable including Cameron, it seemed unlikely that Tippett would see much, if any, senior action over the next 3 seasons. The best result would be to work out an early retirement for Tippett.

I thought Tippett was one of the most valuable players in the AFL in 2016 until he got that hamstring injury. Things might have worked out very differently, but it is what it is.

Taking the emotion out of the decision, it looks like a big win for the club if we do, in fact, get some salary cap relief in the coming years. It should help get Jake Lloyd a bit more in his next contract, something well deserved. And who knows, maybe that extra spot on the roster might see McVeigh play on in 2019.

[stevoswan]

No post on the Tippett thread for over 3 months! Very unusual......I'm so used to seeing the title so it's back to page one with you! I really do hope he gets his body right this year for one final tilt at greatness, or should that be redemption? I'll put it out there.....if Tipp has a great season (am I over reaching just thinking that is a possibility?), we will win the premiership.

I've been out all day but got the Tippett news on my Swans App......then I thought, 'I must have got a vibe yesterday' leading to yesterday's post above but seriously, it was nothing like what has actually eventuated. Bit sad and yes, I was over reaching thinking Tipp could have a great season this year! I'm going to really miss this thread......

[The Big Cat]

Some handy free agents coming out of contract at the end of the year. Starting to take an interest now there's a bit of cap space - Ummm Lynch, Sloane, Brodie Smith ... I just wonder .....

[goswannies]

I've been out all day but got the Tippett news on my Swans App......then I thought, 'I must have got a vibe yesterday' leading to yesterday's post above but seriously, it was nothing like what has actually eventuated. Bit sad and yes, I was over reaching thinking Tipp could have a great season this year! I'm going to really miss this thread......

I can't believe that this thread has to end. I'll miss that the most.

Just over 5 years since this thread started, Over 5000 posts. That?s nearly 3 posts a day. Every day. Since just before he joined us. Kurt, you made your mark on RWO.

Hopefully there will be a little life left in this thread with fitting tributes to a Swan who embraced his team and team mates.

[Markwebbos]

Two words: Dean Cox