Trade Whispers / Rumours and Confirmations

[Mug Punter]

I assume the reason this talk is happening is to free up some money for the Buddy move.. Since they said it may be a package deal it could be Mcglynn, Smith, Grundy and Everitt. I cannot believe they would consider Parker, though it worries me that Roosey is keen on getting some good midfielders and may have his eye on Parker. I know from his commentary that he is a big fan of Parker.

No way would I trade Parker but McGlynn, Smith and Everitt for pick 2 would be hard to knock back provided our recruiters really believe in what that pick offers. Benny has been great for us but he seems on the way out, Smith would be a loss but Everitt is just a squad player really.

The Dees really need more quality across the park NOW and three top 22 players for them would boost their depth big-time. It would also free up some salary cap I guess. Would prefer to keep Smithy, and trade McGlynn and Everitt for a swap of our second round picks.Think the draft is pretty deep this year and that would get us two top 25 picks, plus Perris who is rated by some as top 20. Plus it opens up a spot to upgrade rookies

That way Roos gets two potential top 22 players and still keeps his powder dry re what he can get for pick 2...

I'd actually prefer for us to have the trade period done and dusted but I have a feeling we'll be quite if the deal is right. We don't need to trade, we have no obvious weaknesses so we should be able to get good deals for any players offered up. I have a feeling we'll be doing quite a bit of draft order upgrading rather than straight swaps

[0918330512]

Players like Smith and Mcglynn would likely get regular stints in a Melbourne midfield.

Ricky Mott & Paul Chambers would likely have got a regular stint in the 2013 Melbourne midfield

[Cosmic Wizard]

If the Swans were interested in pick 2 or 3 perhaps we would be looking to draft Matt Scharenberg, rather than another midfielder like Aish or Kelly. We could still get a pretty good mid at pick 15. Eventually Scharenberg could slot into Rampe's spot and Rampe can go into the midfield, where he has played before at lower levels, or if Smith were part of the deal, take his place as the designated key defender. I can see Smith wanting to get some relief for being a lock down defender to do something more dynamic in a midfield role, but it wouldn't be looking good given the number of good midfielders we have. Players like Smith and Mcglynn would likely get regular stints in a Melbourne midfield.

The reason the Swans want to do deals is that both Adelaide and Essendon do not have first or second round picks!
This means we can really go up in the draft and for once secure some brilliant talent.
Fingers cross, but we may get a single digit pick in we can trade White and Mummy picks for something higher!

[Zlatorog]

IMO, our club won't do any trading until AFL decides on a deal about Buddy. Until then everything is just a rumour.

[0918330512]

I assume the reason this talk is happening is to free up some money for the Buddy move.. Since they said it may be a package deal it could be Mcglynn, Smith, Grundy and Everitt. I cannot believe they would consider Parker, though it worries me that Roosey is keen on getting some good midfielders and may have his eye on Parker. I know from his commentary that he is a big fan of Parker.

Seriously? If they have to bundle half the side to get Buddy then my trust in the people that manage our list is mid-guided. I prefer to believe that most of the rubbish posted here is either fabricated by ill-informed journalists or, much more disappointingly, by RWOers who probably spend whatever time they're not posting concocted cr@p on here, refuting the moon landing on some other conspiracy theory website.

[The Big Cat]

Lets get a few facts on the table-
(a) It is my understanding that only Everett, White (wanting a trade), Mumford (GWS bound), and Lamb (soon to be signed) are uncontracted at the moment. This means that any other player mentioned must agree to be traded since they are in contract and can't be just moved on.
(b) Why does Grundy's name keep being mentioned here? Horse has stated they are looking for MORE tall defenders as future replacements for Reg and Ted.
(c) Most of our key on-ballers have been signed up again this year (When the brass knew there was a possibility they would need to include Buddy in TPP)
(d) If we hadn't had the retirements we've had, I'm sure the press and the blood-thirsty public would have been satisfied if we'd been forced to jettison Bolton, Matner, Morton, Mummy and White to fit Buddy in!
(d) No official source, or any press directly quoting an official source has mentioned any names at the Swans likely to be on the trade table other than Everett, Mumford and White. Any other names are just wild guesses as were Grundy and Mitchell in association with Adelaide last year, and Parker supposedly going to Carlton last year.

[Swansinger]

The talk of trading a Smith or a Parker, let alone both, is ridiculous. We're recruiting Buddy to win premierships, ideally starting next year while Goodsey and ROK are still around to enjoy it. Parker and Smith are an integral part of the best 22. We have no-one in the reserves remotely capable of filling either of their shoes, and both arguably have their best years of football ahead of them.

Bingo !!!

[Go Swannies]

As Liz says, why would you trade Nick and Luke at the same time you pay a fortune to have Buddy play at his best for the next 3-4 years? The draft pick we'd get would probably play his first game as Buddy's influence wanes. I see Luke as the perfect replacement for Jude - hard and clever. But trading Nick would be simply insane. The aim of the game is to score more than the opposition. Buddy will help on the plus side but there is noone we could buy who is more influential than Nick on the negative side.

I'd go so far as to say that the Swans with Buddy and no Nick would end 2014 with a lower percentage than the Swans with Nick and no Buddy. I'm surprised few here seem to see the team structure the same way. If Nick wants a change, move him to our midfield.

[Ludwig]

I think we are all getting sucked in (including myself) to wild speculations about players going here, there and everywhere. Let's face it. We really don't have a clue.

[Jimitron5000]

Lets get a few facts on the table-
(a) It is my understanding that only Everett, White (wanting a trade), Mumford (GWS bound), and Lamb (soon to be signed) are uncontracted at the moment. This means that any other player mentioned must agree to be traded since they are in contract and can't be just moved on.
(b) Why does Grundy's name keep being mentioned here? Horse has stated they are looking for MORE tall defenders as future replacements for Reg and Ted.
(c) Most of our key on-ballers have been signed up again this year (When the brass knew there was a possibility they would need to include Buddy in TPP)
(d) If we hadn't had the retirements we've had, I'm sure the press and the blood-thirsty public would have been satisfied if we'd been forced to jettison Bolton, Matner, Morton, Mummy and White to fit Buddy in!
(d) No official source, or any press directly quoting an official source has mentioned any names at the Swans likely to be on the trade table other than Everett, Mumford and White. Any other names are just wild guesses as were Grundy and Mitchell in association with Adelaide last year, and Parker supposedly going to Carlton last year.

That doesn't belong in this thread. Far too sensible and rational!

[Mug Punter]

Lets get a few facts on the table-
(a) It is my understanding that only Everett, White (wanting a trade), Mumford (GWS bound), and Lamb (soon to be signed) are uncontracted at the moment. This means that any other player mentioned must agree to be traded since they are in contract and can't be just moved on.
(b) Why does Grundy's name keep being mentioned here? Horse has stated they are looking for MORE tall defenders as future replacements for Reg and Ted.
(c) Most of our key on-ballers have been signed up again this year (When the brass knew there was a possibility they would need to include Buddy in TPP)
(d) If we hadn't had the retirements we've had, I'm sure the press and the blood-thirsty public would have been satisfied if we'd been forced to jettison Bolton, Matner, Morton, Mummy and White to fit Buddy in!
(d) No official source, or any press directly quoting an official source has mentioned any names at the Swans likely to be on the trade table other than Everett, Mumford and White. Any other names are just wild guesses as were Grundy and Mitchell in association with Adelaide last year, and Parker supposedly going to Carlton last year.

I don't think there will be massive changes but suspect that we will be doing a little more horse trading. It's a good deep draft, both the bombers and crows are missing in action early on, GWS and GCS are not talent banking so it may be the right opportunity in a few years to really draft well. Know we are in the window but if we want to stay there we also need one eye on the future.

Most players have a price on their heads. Agree that Smith is pretty much irreplaceable at the moment but do not think Everitt, McGlynn or even Bird are in the same boat. If we could somehow get the picks for Jesse, Mummy and Everitt and McGlynn bundled up then we would be in a much stronger draft position. Reckon the second round Dees pick could be a good target. They have their young gun in Hogan but their need is absolutely immediate - I suspect they will trade away both their first and second round picks in exchange for 5-6 genuine AFL footballers.

[Go Swannies]

I don't think there will be massive changes but suspect that we will be doing a little more horse trading. It's a good deep draft, both the bombers and crows are missing in action early on, GWS and GCS are not talent banking so it may be the right opportunity in a few years to really draft well. Know we are in the window but if we want to stay there we also need one eye on the future.

Most players have a price on their heads. Agree that Smith is pretty much irreplaceable at the moment but do not think Everitt, McGlynn or even Bird are in the same boat. If we could somehow get the picks for Jesse, Mummy and Everitt and McGlynn bundled up then we would be in a much stronger draft position. Reckon the second round Dees pick could be a good target. They have their young gun in Hogan but their need is absolutely immediate - I suspect they will trade away both their first and second round picks in exchange for 5-6 genuine AFL footballers.

Bird came in as Number 8 in the coaches' voting for the Best and Fairest so it's unlikely he's going anywhere, no matter that many on RWO want to vote him off the team.

On the other hand, something Jesse said to me on Friday suggests that he's off to the Pies so I guess that's waiting the AFL ratification of the Buddy deal.

[liz]

It's a good deep draft, both the bombers and crows are missing in action early on, GWS and GCS are not talent banking so it may be the right opportunity in a few years to really draft well.

I don't know if its a "good, deep draft" (though most knowledgeable people I've heard comment suggest it's not particularly strong at the top end - just average - and not very deep either).

But if it were, why would you want to trade away established players to get high picks? Surely you'd just back yourself to find another Luke Parker at pick 40, or Alex Johnson at pick 50 something. Or maybe even a Nick Smith or Kieran Jack in the rookie draft.

[Ludwig]

It doesn't seem like a particularly good draft to me, but you never know until a few years out. With the exception of Tom Boyd, who should be a very worthy first pick, you can throw a blanket over the next 15 or so. I am actually more impressed with players likely to go after Norths' FS pick 8 Luke McDonald, like Marcus Bontempelli, Kade Kolodjashnij, Nathan Freeman and Christian Salem, all midfielders with something a bit special about what they can bring to the game. So landing a pick from GSW's 9 to Carlton's 12 might be worth shooting for. It's much better value than going for pick 2 IMO, and Jesse White might be part of such a deal if it were to materialize. If we are interested in landing another key defender, I think Darcy Gardiner should be still available at pick 15.

Even though it might not be a great draft, there could still be good value for picks in the 30s and even the 40s. Someone like midfielder Nathan Drummond tested very well in the combine and sounds like a Swans type player, and is unlikely to go before the 3rd round. Ben Brown, a very athletic 2 metre tall player is another possible late 30s pick who could be our answer short term as a backup ruck and long term forward ruck option.

You can get players like Hanners at 30 and Parker at 40, or even my latest favourite, 'the yet to play senior footy' Jake Lloyd in the rookie draft. I think Beatson knows how to separate the show ponies from the real thing.

As for our draft picks, a lot may depend on what we can get for Mummy. I'm not very optimistic, and we may be forced to take their 3rd round pick or he goes to the PSD. My guess at this early point is that we will shoot for 4 live picks in the National draft.

[barry]

Mcglynn was our leading goak kicker mid season. With morton leaving, hes more important than ever.

Smith is our best small defender.

Dont trade those two out.