List changes and trade bait

[Ampersand]

Matt80 - if we were to follow your plan to get Petrecca, show me your anticipated team for 2016 with the ins and outs.

[Ampersand]

Jack did have smashed ribs for most of the year (also the early back issue that i suspect was one and the same)

Regardless he couldn't hit the side of a barn with a hand ball, he has become the king of the hospital pass and he is predictable and one-sided in terms of skills. None of which have to do with his injuries. I'm just saying that certain players have escaped scrutiny while Jetta, someone who has actually improved this season, is a convenient target.

[RogueSwan]

How good is that? That is just on Jake Lloyd's 15. Petracca must be seeing Jimmy as well. Good speed (Hiscox pace), good endurance, wonderful vertical leap, outstanding size and power, great marking ability and sound skills.

I would prefer outstanding skills to sound skills. I would like us to go after footballers rather than athletes.
Hanners may not be able to jump over ruckmen or mark everything that comes near him but at least he doesn't need to be taught how to play the game, it just comes naturally to him.

[mcs]

Regardless he couldn't hit the side of a barn with a hand ball, he has become the king of the hospital pass and he is predictable and one-sided in terms of skills. None of which have to do with his injuries. I'm just saying that certain players have escaped scrutiny while Jetta, someone who has actually improved this season, is a convenient target.

At least Jack tried hard on GF day - Jetta was completely non-existant (before the concussion) and his feeble effort chasing was it Hill on the wing when he had ample opportunity to tackle but did nothing was dreadful. You can have all the improvement in the world during a season, but it ain't much use if you don't show up at all on GF day.

[stellation]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say- whilst he doesn't have quite the goal kicking nose, Abe Davis' arrival will suffice for the loss of Membrey.

[Matt80]

Matt80 - if we were to follow your plan to get Petrecca, show me your anticipated team for 2016 with the ins and outs.

B Rampe Grundy Smith
HB Rohan Reid Jones
C Jetta Kennedy K.Jack
HF Cunnigham Franklin McVeigh
F Petracca Tippett Towers
Foll Naismith, Parker, Mitchell
Inter Heeney, Mills Lloyd
Sub B. Jack

Ins - Petracca, Heeney, Mitchell, Mills, Jones, Naismith, Towers, Brandon Jack,

Outs - Shaw, Goodes, Richards (Retired), Pyke, McGlynn ROK struggles), Malceski (Free Agency), Hanners (trade), Bird (depth player but will play many games).

The midfield rotation is very strong with Petracca, Heeney, Mills, Lloyd, McVeigh, Cunningham and Jones able to rotate through.

We are smaller up forward, but have more pace and greater ability to hold the ball in.

Reid is settled in the back half and has grown into a strong shut down defender.

Buddy and Tippett are still under 30 and you can look at that team with their young midfield guns and say that the best will continue to come.

Is this team that bad?

[Ampersand]

At least Jack tried hard on GF day - Jetta was completely non-existant (before the concussion) and his feeble effort chasing was it Hill on the wing when he had ample opportunity to tackle but did nothing was dreadful. You can have all the improvement in the world during a season, but it ain't much use if you don't show up at all on GF day.

If we used the grand final as a metric then we should trade our entire list except for Buddy and Kennedy. Jack cost us two goals on Saturday because he can't kick on his right.

Season form and consistency should be the deciding factor in discussing trades but everyone is completely fixated on the grand final. Guess what? Most of our list didn't show up, that's why we got hammered.

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The Swans have nominated three players ? Isaac Heeney, Abe Davis and Jack Hiscox ? as Academy selections ahead of Friday's deadline and Monday morning's bidding meeting.
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I'd guess that means we don't need to watch the Draft now....

Interesting they've gone with all 3, they could've left Hiscox to next year no?? Part of the whole salary cap picture I'm sure as well. We have to add 2 or 3 more to round out the full list??
Having all three come in come is a real tick for the Academy system IMO compared to what was there associated with the Scholarship system some years back. From what I've seen the main benefit is not necessarily to develop players from a young age but more to give talent the incentive that they can picked up like these three are and develop under a initial Swans contract close to home and if it doesn't work out they'll still have their family support structures close by. Compared to the Scholarships which had them leaving Sydney at a young age with no guarantee's was always a step too far.
Great to see some Inner city talent coming through (after Rampe, but he had to go to Vic first) in Hiscox and Davis. Davis was one who could've been lost to basketball, a regular rep player at a younger age.

[Conor_Dillon]

How good is that? That is just on Jake Lloyd's 15. Petracca must be seeing Jimmy as well. Good speed (Hiscox pace), good endurance, wonderful vertical leap, outstanding size and power, great marking ability and sound skills.

Let's get him in. I can live with Hanners getting $700,000 - $900,000 a year at the Saints. I'm sure he can live with that as well.

If we Petracca, Heeney, Mills and Dunkley we will have the greatest collection of emerging midfielders since "The Baby Bombers" of the early 90.

This is just my opinion.

I like your different ways of thinking Matt but trading pick 1 for Hannebery would be ridiculous.

Lets look at the previous 10 number 1 picks and then nominate which players we think are better than Dan...

2013 - Tom Boyd
2012 - Lachie Whitfield
2011 - Jon Patton
2010 - David Swallow
2009 - Tom Scully
2008 - Jack Watts
2007 - Matthew Kreuzer
2006 - Bryce Gibbs
2005 - Marc Murphy
2004 - Brett Deledio

We'll include the players taken (or traded) in the mini-drafts by the Suns and Giants

2012 - Jack Martin, Jesse Hogan.
2011 - Jaeger O'Meara, Brad Crouch.


I couldn't find a comprehensive list of the 17 year olds that were able to be pre-listed by these clubs but it would include Jeremy Cameron.

Of the above mentioned players, the only ones I would personally trade for Hannebery are O'Meara and Cameron...maybe Crouch.

That means Petracca would have to buck a serious trend.


This is just my opinion.

[Jewels]

If we used the grand final as a metric then we should trade our entire list except for Buddy and Kennedy. Jack cost us two goals on Saturday because he can't kick on his right.

Season form and consistency should be the deciding factor in discussing trades but everyone is completely fixated on the grand final. Guess what? Most of our list didn't show up, that's why we got hammered.

The best and truest post in this thread.
I was as angry as anyone last Saturday and heaven only knows Jetta was frustrating the crap out of me and at one stage I yelled at him to give me his boots and I'll take his place as I think I would have been of more use, but that was one game and I certainly don't want him gone, he is capable of creating magic and this year his game has become so much more rounded.
That would be a trade that I think would come back and bight us on the bum!

[Ampersand]

B Rampe Grundy Smith
HB Rohan Reid Jones
C Jetta Kennedy K.Jack
HF Cunnigham Franklin McVeigh
F Petracca Tippett Towers
Foll Naismith, Parker, Mitchell
Inter Heeney, Mills Lloyd
Sub B. Jack

Ins - Petracca, Heeney, Mitchell, Mills, Jones, Naismith, Towers, Brandon Jack,

Outs - Shaw, Goodes, Richards (Retired), Pyke, McGlynn ROK struggles), Malceski (Free Agency), Hanners (trade), Bird (depth player but will play many games).

The midfield rotation is very strong with Petracca, Heeney, Mills, Lloyd, McVeigh, Cunningham and Jones able to rotate through.

We are smaller up forward, but have more pace and greater ability to hold the ball in.

Reid is settled in the back half and has grown into a strong shut down defender.

Buddy and Tippett are still under 30 and you can look at that team with their young midfield guns and say that the best will continue to come.

Is this team that bad?

Yeah, thought so. You've removed a few guns with developed strength and endurance (Hannebery, McGlynn, Bird) for young bodies who will run out of steam and completely trashed our backline and added two panicky sparrows to the mix (B. Jack and Towers).

Do you understand that what you've proposed is a much worse team than what we had this year in the third year of Buddy's contract?

[AnnieH]

Stop removing players who are on contract.

You are wasting my time.

[Conor_Dillon]

Stop removing players who are on contract.

You are wasting my time.

We should only ever trade contracted players if we think they are going to leave after their contract is up.

Better off trading them whilst they have some currency than losing them to Free Agency or a token draft pick.

[mcs]

If we used the grand final as a metric then we should trade our entire list except for Buddy and Kennedy. Jack cost us two goals on Saturday because he can't kick on his right.

Season form and consistency should be the deciding factor in discussing trades but everyone is completely fixated on the grand final. Guess what? Most of our list didn't show up, that's why we got hammered.

I'm not suggesting we should use the GF as a metric to trade players - not at all, or suggesting Jetta should be traded. But I do think he should not be above criticsm for what was a totally non-existent performance on GF day.

If I was list manager, I would seriously consider trading him if a good offer come in for him - but it would want to be a very good offer. Get his mind right and get his role right (i'm not convinced his role this year really does suit him) and no doubt the confidence will come back.

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B Rampe Grundy Smith
HB Rohan Reid Jones
C Jetta Kennedy K.Jack
HF Cunnigham Franklin McVeigh
F Petracca Tippett Towers
Foll Naismith, Parker, Mitchell
Inter Heeney, Mills Lloyd
Sub B. Jack

Ins - Petracca, Heeney, Mitchell, Mills, Jones, Naismith, Towers, Brandon Jack,

Outs - Shaw, Goodes, Richards (Retired), Pyke, McGlynn ROK struggles), Malceski (Free Agency), Hanners (trade), Bird (depth player but will play many games).

The midfield rotation is very strong with Petracca, Heeney, Mills, Lloyd, McVeigh, Cunningham and Jones able to rotate through.

We are smaller up forward, but have more pace and greater ability to hold the ball in.

Reid is settled in the back half and has grown into a strong shut down defender.

Buddy and Tippett are still under 30 and you can look at that team with their young midfield guns and say that the best will continue to come.

Is this team that bad?

Why would Mcglynn have 'ROK like struggles'.


That team is far weaker than the 2014 GF team, and thats even with the assumption that Mills and Petracca and heeney turn out to be the wonderful players you suggest they will.

BJ also is yet to show me he is going to make it at the top level either.

[Conor_Dillon]

Maybe...just maybe...Goodes has played on because the club wants him to take up a mentoring role when they draft Nakia Cockatoo

Goodes and Buddy would be perfect indigenous role models and this kid has ridiculous amounts of talent...

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Recorded the best score on the kicking test at the combine yesterday for what it's worth!