List changes and trade bait

[ernie koala]

After listening to the StKilda rep on trade radio.

He seemed comfortable with a 3rd round pick for Membrey, though he said he was waiting on the Swans to finalise some other trades first.

Maybe it will be a swap of picks(we won't be using many) and we'll end up with their 3rd rounder. So around No.40....That would be a good result.

[707]

After listening to the StKilda rep on trade radio.

He seemed comfortable with a 3rd round pick for Membrey, though he said he was waiting on the Swans to finalise some other trades first.

What other trades? What have we got bubbling along that isn't being reported? As usual, no leaks from the Swans during trade week/s - but I would like to know :-)

[ernie koala]

He alluded to Malceski and "maybe some other things"....Who knows, time will tell. Maybe nothing.

[chalbilto]

It's looks like we will be quiet during the trade period. Our 1st, 2nd, and 4th round picks are all tied up.

We only have a late 3rd round to play with as currency unless we throw some senior listed players into the trade mix.

The best we can hope for Membrey is a 3rd round upgrade from late 3rd round to early 3rd round.

The Malceski compensation will be interesting. A late 2nd round pick is likely.

Maybe eye can give St Kilda Membrey, our late potential 2nd round and our late 3rd round for St Kilda's early second round round pick. We need to maximise that one pick as much as we can.

Does anyone believe that it's worth looking at a trade for Craig Bird as Mitchell will most likely have a better year in 2015. Bird would likely get us a early 2nd round pick?

No.

[Matt80]

Here's my trade maths based look at what we should expect for Membrey. Pick 40 would be around fair value too, but it's pretty likely to be 59.

The most likely deal is Membrey and pick 59 to the Saints for pick 40 to the Swans

If no other players are involved we may be able to give another club our likely late 2nd round (Malceski) and likely pick 40 (Membrey) to get one pick higher into the 2nd round. We are only likely to have one live selection at the draft so we need to push that one single pick higher. Two picks for one higher 2nd round may suit a club that has used a lot of other picks to bring in mature players.

This is just my opinion.

[Ampersand]

Hey Matt you should make "This is just my opinion" your signature. It'll save you having to type it at the end of your posts.

[sharp9]

The most likely deal is Membrey and pick 59 to the Saints for pick 40 to the Swans

If no other players are involved we may be able to give another club our likely late 2nd round (Malceski) and likely pick 40 (Membrey) to get one pick higher into the 2nd round. We are only likely to have one live selection at the draft so we need to push that one single pick higher. Two picks for one higher 2nd round may suit a club that has used a lot of other picks to bring in mature players.

This is just my opinion.

Why would we trade a highly sought after quality young player for merely upgrading from pick 56 to pick 40. That's nuts! If Membrey were to go into this draft he would be taken in the top 20.

[liz]

Why would we trade a highly sought after quality young player for merely upgrading from pick 56 to pick 40. That's nuts! If Membrey were to go into this draft he would be taken in the top 20.

He may or may not be drafted in the top 20 if he were in the draft. (I think that is questionable - he's played 1 game in 2 years and is far from a sure thing at senior level).

But fact is that he is uncontracted, wants to go to the Saints, and the Saints have the first pick in the PSD. Was Mumford worth whatever crap pick we got for him last year.

[Matt80]

Why would we trade a highly sought after quality young player for merely upgrading from pick 56 to pick 40. That's nuts! If Membrey were to go into this draft he would be taken in the top 20.

That's all we are going to get for a single game player who can be taken in the PSD if we don't strike a deal. We don't need another pick as we won't end up using it. We have to turn pick 59 into something better.

[Ludwig]

Why would we trade a highly sought after quality young player for merely upgrading from pick 56 to pick 40. That's nuts! If Membrey were to go into this draft he would be taken in the top 20.

We re in a very weak position. He can just walk and go into the PSD, since he doesn't seem to care about going to a bottom club. Looked how little we got for Mummy, and nothing for Lamb.

Given that both Shaw and Goodes are staying on, Matt is probably right that we may only have one live ND pick after taking the 3 academy players. And we might as well try to get the highest pick we can under those circumstances.

Maybe the delay regarding Malceski involves the compo pick we get. If we get a 2nd rounder, say 40, maybe there is a possibility that we would trade picks 40 and 59 and Membrey for the Saints 2nd rounder, perhaps 22. That may look excessive, (2 draft picks plus a player that might well go for pick 22 in this draft), but is probably a good outcome for us.

[Matt80]

We re in a very weak position. He can just walk and go into the PSD, since he doesn't seem to care about going to a bottom club. Looked how little we got for Mummy, and nothing for Lamb.

Given that both Shaw and Goodes are staying on, Matt is probably right that we may only have one live ND pick after taking the 3 academy players. And we might as well try to get the highest pick we can under those circumstances.

Maybe the delay regarding Malceski involves the compo pick we get. If we get a 2nd rounder, say 40, maybe there is a possibility that we would trade picks 40 and 59 and Membrey for the Saints 2nd rounder, perhaps 22. That may look excessive, (2 draft picks plus a player that might well go for pick 22 in this draft), but is probably a good outcome for us.

I would shake on that and buy you a beer. Deal! Pick 22 would be a decent outcome from pick 59 and losing two guys Malceski and Membrey who are out of contract and want more opportunity and more money.

[Melbourne_Blood]

If Mal gets a 3 year deal worth 1.5 mill plus , on the back of being AA, surely we get end of first round pick as compo. Wishful thinking ?

[mcs]

If Mal gets a 3 year deal worth 1.5 mill plus , on the back of being AA, surely we get end of first round pick as compo. Wishful thinking ?

Surely. Demons got Pick 3 for Frawley!

[Ludwig]

If Mal gets a 3 year deal worth 1.5 mill plus , on the back of being AA, surely we get end of first round pick as compo. Wishful thinking ?

Unfortunately the AA status doesn't count for anything. It's age and size of contract. Melbourne got pick 3 for Frawley. The formula is conveniently "secret" so there's room to reward or punish teams as they wish. Having turned down Melbourne's bid for a priority pick, they surely were on the reward list. I am sure that fear of Eddie's wrath has put us on the 'punish severely as possible' list. It would be great if we got an end of 1st round pick (2nd tier), instead of 3rd tier which would be around 18 slots lower down.


I am also pretty happy with the end result of getting 3 academy boys. I remember there was an article that was linked somewhere in the RWO archives pertaining to our offer to get all of our players from the academy in lieu of the draft back when the academy started, which was declined by the AFL. It seems that we are heading that path anyway. It is worth noting that the 2 WA clubs get more than half there players from WA. There's a big advantage to having home grown boys on the list. If Membrey had come from our academy, he might have stayed. But the combination of going home and getting more playing opportunities is to big a draw. I think the future will see us taking very few players in the ND outside Academy and FS nominations.

[R-1]

The most likely deal is Membrey and pick 59 to the Saints for pick 40 to the Swans

That would be generous on our part, valuing Membrey at essentially nothing - there's about 20 games between the expected career of a pick 40 and a pick 59. Still might happen, but only if we don't want to get anything from him.