Trade target discussion (merged thread)

[liz]

I don't understand this keenness to basically give Bird away for close to nothing. Robbo too. Many posters spent much of 2015 bemoaning our lack of experienced depth. Bird is close to the only truly experienced depth we have. When he's fit, he is a pretty good player. He managed to keep Mitchell out of the side for most of 2014, after all. He has a couple of top 10 BS medal finishes under his belt. He's in the prime age bracket. He's contracted. He's also a local(ish) boy, though that should matter less.

I realise that, for team balance, it is hard to fit all of JPK, Parker, Bird and Mitchell into the side. But as we saw this year, it's pretty easy to lose one of them. Bird would have been straight in for Parker at the end of the year had he himself not had an injury interrupted season and thus wasn't match fit for senior football. I realise that this makes Bird semi-expendable if we need to sacrifice a quality player (in addition to Jetta) to secure a good youngish defender and a quality ruckman. To me, that doesn't equate to basically giving him to Melbourne for a 3rd round pick, let allowing throwing Robinson in for good measure.

If some other club comes knocking and is willing to give up some decent trade currency in return, sure listen to what they have to say. But otherwise why wouldn't the club keep him, knowing that once he's fit he's a reasonable chance of securing a best 22 position on merit, and even if he's the 23rd or 24th player on the list, that still makes him a very valuable part of the 2016 playing list?

[Mug Punter]

I don't understand this keenness to basically give Bird away for close to nothing. Robbo too. Many posters spent much of 2015 bemoaning our lack of experienced depth. Bird is close to the only truly experienced depth we have. When he's fit, he is a pretty good player. He managed to keep Mitchell out of the side for most of 2014, after all. He has a couple of top 10 BS medal finishes under his belt. He's in the prime age bracket. He's contracted. He's also a local(ish) boy, though that should matter less.

I realise that, for team balance, it is hard to fit all of JPK, Parker, Bird and Mitchell into the side. But as we saw this year, it's pretty easy to lose one of them. Bird would have been straight in for Parker at the end of the year had he himself not had an injury interrupted season and thus wasn't match fit for senior football. I realise that this makes Bird semi-expendable if we need to sacrifice a quality player (in addition to Jetta) to secure a good youngish defender and a quality ruckman. To me, that doesn't equate to basically giving him to Melbourne for a 3rd round pick, let allowing throwing Robinson in for good measure.

If some other club comes knocking and is willing to give up some decent trade currency in return, sure listen to what they have to say. But otherwise why wouldn't the club keep him, knowing that once he's fit he's a reasonable chance of securing a best 22 position on merit, and even if he's the 23rd or 24th player on the list, that still makes him a very valuable part of the 2016 playing list?

I don't wish to see him go and in a perfect world we'd keep him but I suspect he is on too much coin and is too good a player to play in the twos or be a squad player. And it would seem his papers are stamped.

He, along with Robbo, are probably the only players we could get anything meaningful for. A third round pick, per my scenario, may seem like we are giving him away but the points of roughly 400 points is the difference between a first round pick in 2016 and a second rounder.

I'd also think we may need to free up his salary to absorb one of the new signings we are going to make

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Forget Talia. No interest now apparently. Lobbe is the word on the street

Possibly not but a like for like swap.

I'd take Lobbe ahead of Smith. He has solid form and is a great age for a ruckman, at 27 next Feb we could easily get 5-6 seasons out of him.

[wolftone57]

The West Australian is reporting that the Eagles are prepared to give us their 1st round pick for Jetta. Eagles eye Lewis Jetta - The West Australian

If true, this could work well if we are interested in recruiting Michael Talia, as we could offer our pick 14 or the one we get for Jetta to the Bulldogs for Talia and say their 2nd rounder and perhaps 3rd rounder, whatever makes sense from a value points perspective. It could be quite an attractive offer from the Bulldogs perspective to have 2 first rounders when they are building a contending team and faced with losing aging stars like Murphy, Boyd and Morris in the next few years. I'm not sure Adelaide would be willing to do something similar, even though they are also going to have at least 2 first rounders as well.

I hadn't thought about this kind of flexibility when evaluating the merits of the new academy bidding system. It will be important for us to have all the calculations in place as well as our trades set up before we actually commit anything, so we know exactly what we have to play with at draft time and we don't end up with a bunch of useless picks late in the draft.

I also see that the Swans' website is reporting that 5 academy players have nominated for the draft, but only rate Mills as a worthy of selection:

Darcy Baron-Hay (North Shore), Lachlan Behagg (Manly Giants), Ryan Hebron (North Shore), Callum Mills (Mosman Swans) and Matthew Wilson (Maroubra) are the five players to have nominated.

For a start Bullies are delisting Talia due to the incident. I doubt we will need a first round draft pick for him. We may need it for Zac Smith though.

[Ludwig]

For a start Bullies are delisting Talia due to the incident. I doubt we will need a first round draft pick for him. We may need it for Zac Smith though.

Where did you hear Talia was being delisted? He's leaving the Dogs, but don't see why the they would delist him when clubs would be willing to trade for him. If they wanted to 'punish' him they would just force him to enter the draft rather than let him be a free agent.

I figure Talia is worth around 500 value points which equates to a pick 36. For us, we can give up a first rounder worth 1000 points and perhaps get back 600 points in later picks and we would be ahead of the game, since they will all be going for Mills and Dunkley.

[wolftone57]

I don't understand this keenness to basically give Bird away for close to nothing. Robbo too. Many posters spent much of 2015 bemoaning our lack of experienced depth. Bird is close to the only truly experienced depth we have. When he's fit, he is a pretty good player. He managed to keep Mitchell out of the side for most of 2014, after all. He has a couple of top 10 BS medal finishes under his belt. He's in the prime age bracket. He's contracted. He's also a local(ish) boy, though that should matter less.

I realise that, for team balance, it is hard to fit all of JPK, Parker, Bird and Mitchell into the side. But as we saw this year, it's pretty easy to lose one of them. Bird would have been straight in for Parker at the end of the year had he himself not had an injury interrupted season and thus wasn't match fit for senior football. I realise that this makes Bird semi-expendable if we need to sacrifice a quality player (in addition to Jetta) to secure a good youngish defender and a quality ruckman. To me, that doesn't equate to basically giving him to Melbourne for a 3rd round pick, let allowing throwing Robinson in for good measure.

If some other club comes knocking and is willing to give up some decent trade currency in return, sure listen to what they have to say. But otherwise why wouldn't the club keep him, knowing that once he's fit he's a reasonable chance of securing a best 22 position on merit, and even if he's the 23rd or 24th player on the list, that still makes him a very valuable part of the 2016 playing list?

I think the Bird situation is troubling if you look at the mids we have coming through Liz. Perris, Mills to be drafted, Heeney going into the mids next year, Robbo would have been in before Bird if he wasn't injured. Unfortunately Birdy has fallen down the pecking order. Even Hewett will pass him next year I think, he has more ups as his delivery is far better, his age and his ability to control play. Birdie is basically a tagger now but I think he would be invaluable to a team like Suns in the role he played before he was used more as a tagger. At times in his tagger role too. I think our coaches are looking at who is going to be in the picture for the future and who is on the periphery. Unfortunately I think Birdie is on the periphery.

We would be really smart to look at Smith and Talia ( if he did indeed give secrets away I think his big mouth can by stuffed with socks an gaffer tape after every team meeting). Luenberger has injury concerns and he wasn't even first ruck at Lions in the end, Martin was. We can deal three or four ways with Jetts. In other words if they give us a first round for Jetts we might be able to deal with other clubs with that in hand. Smith would be a good second round trade so we get to keep two first rounders. Talia is on the market, sacked. They don't want him around so the question must be asked; what will they want for him or are they just going to let him go to the preseason draft?

[Dooloo]

Swans consider uncontracted free agent Dempsey - AFL.com.au

Thoughts. Would he be any use to us.

[stevoswan]

Swans consider uncontracted free agent Dempsey - AFL.com.au

Thoughts. Would he be any use to us.

Could be if he gets and stays fit, which he will have to, if he comes to us and wants to be picked! Could be a good replacement for Jetta, has pace and is clever, consistency is his main challenge, it seems. Worthy of consideration IMO. PS; Just noticed where you're from Dooloo......good ol' 'Maine. There's actually quite a lot of Swans support here, and Roosy's parents live in Campbell's Creek! Go Swans....

[Levii3]

Swans consider uncontracted free agent Dempsey - AFL.com.au

Thoughts. Would he be any use to us.

He turns 29 next year. Is he one of the bombers who is effected by the WADA situation? He got suspended at the end of the season he'll miss the starting games. 10 years at Essendon has played only 119 games

[Scottee]

I don't understand this keenness to basically give Bird away for close to nothing. Robbo too. Many posters spent much of 2015 bemoaning our lack of experienced depth. Bird is close to the only truly experienced depth we have. When he's fit, he is a pretty good player. He managed to keep Mitchell out of the side for most of 2014, after all. He has a couple of top 10 BS medal finishes under his belt. He's in the prime age bracket. He's contracted. He's also a local(ish) boy, though that should matter less.

I realise that, for team balance, it is hard to fit all of JPK, Parker, Bird and Mitchell into the side. But as we saw this year, it's pretty easy to lose one of them. Bird would have been straight in for Parker at the end of the year had he himself not had an injury interrupted season and thus wasn't match fit for senior football. I realise that this makes Bird semi-expendable if we need to sacrifice a quality player (in addition to Jetta) to secure a good youngish defender and a quality ruckman. To me, that doesn't equate to basically giving him to Melbourne for a 3rd round pick, let allowing throwing Robinson in for good measure.

If some other club comes knocking and is willing to give up some decent trade currency in return, sure listen to what they have to say. But otherwise why wouldn't the club keep him, knowing that once he's fit he's a reasonable chance of securing a best 22 position on merit, and even if he's the 23rd or 24th player on the list, that still makes him a very valuable part of the 2016 playing list?

Liz, I think there was some talk around a couple of months ago that Robbo was looking for a trade to Melbourne. I think that is the basis for a lot of the chat about him.

As far as Bird goes I am a fan but it seems that the selectors were determined not to play him because his form in the Ressies was better than McGlynns, which was poor, yet he was selected in front of Bird. The talk about him going seems pretty much based on the perceived attitude of the coaches to him.

[wolftone57]

Where did you hear Talia was being delisted? He's leaving the Dogs, but don't see why the they would delist him when clubs would be willing to trade for him. If they wanted to 'punish' him they would just force him to enter the draft rather than let him be a free agent.

I figure Talia is worth around 500 value points which equates to a pick 36. For us, we can give up a first rounder worth 1000 points and perhaps get back 600 points in later picks and we would be ahead of the game, since they will all be going for Mills and Dunkley.

We get a first round point for Jetts

[wolftone57]

Liz, I think there was some talk around a couple of months ago that Robbo was looking for a trade to Melbourne. I think that is the basis for a lot of the chat about him.

As far as Bird goes I am a fan but it seems that the selectors were determined not to play him because his form in the Ressies was better than McGlynns, which was poor, yet he was selected in front of Bird. The talk about him going seems pretty much based on the perceived attitude of the coaches to him.

I don't think Birdie or Bennie have ong term futures at our club. I think they will both be traded out this trading period.

[Auntie.Gerald]

He turns 29 next year. Is he one of the bombers who is effected by the WADA situation? He got suspended at the end of the season he'll miss the starting games. 10 years at Essendon has played only 119 games

makes sense to me.........we need more options and experience off that HBF and would be a value signing with upside for 2 seasons

[wolftone57]

Swans consider uncontracted free agent Dempsey - AFL.com.au

Thoughts. Would he be any use to us.

i agree Dempsey is not our sort of player. He is a grandstander not a long term in the frey player. I am not talking about in and under I am talking about getting his feet wet and his hands dirty.

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Liz, I think there was some talk around a couple of months ago that Robbo was looking for a trade to Melbourne. I think that is the basis for a lot of the chat about him.

As far as Bird goes I am a fan but it seems that the selectors were determined not to play him because his form in the Ressies was better than McGlynns, which was poor, yet he was selected in front of Bird. The talk about him going seems pretty much based on the perceived attitude of the coaches to him.

I don't know who started the rumour Robbo wanted a trade to Dees. But my info is he is VERY HAPPY where he is.

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just read the Dempsay article and it is bull@@@@ put out by his management to get interest in his playing career.

[Levii3]

makes sense to me.........we need more options and experience off that HBF and would be a value signing with upside for 2 seasons

If true i think the swans are hoping its similar to Shaw came as a 27 yo and played almost 150 games for us and 9 years at the pies managed only 90 odd. Prefer someone like Nic Newman to be given the opportunity.

[Scottee]

If true i think the swans are hoping its similar to Shaw came as a 27 yo and played almost 150 games for us and 9 years at the pies managed only 90 odd. Prefer someone like Nic Newman to be given the opportunity.

Nick is a talent.