Trade target discussion (merged thread)

[caj23]

The Eagles have been reasonably fair traders in recent years. Fortunately, he doesn't want to go to Essendon!

Unless we can shake lose one of their key defenders like Nathan Brown I think a draft pick is the most likely scenario.

Sinclair is playing in a Grand Final this weekend and Lycett is the next anointed. They could probably play all 3 in the one team once the sub is deleted next year as Sinclair is capable as a full time forward. I just can't see them letting go of either of those ruckman.

Leunberger is a good ruck and the attraction is that he's a free agent, his injury durability is the big question mark on him

[Plugger46]

Unless we can shake lose one of their key defenders like Nathan Brown I think a draft pick is the most likely scenario.

Sinclair is playing in a Grand Final this weekend and Lycett is the next anointed. They could probably play all 3 in the one team once the sub is deleted next year as Sinclair is capable as a full time forward. I just can't see them letting go of either of those ruckman.

Leunberger is a good ruck and the attraction is that he's a free agent, his injury durability is the big question mark on him

I'm not a fan of Mitch Brown. Don't think he's much good and he's got a fairly ordinary injury history. So I'd prefer their first rounder or Barrass (no idea if he'll be available).

I agree that it would be hard to get one of them. I hope they play all three against us though

[Ludwig]

The West Australian is reporting that the Eagles are prepared to give us their 1st round pick for Jetta. Eagles eye Lewis Jetta - The West Australian

If true, this could work well if we are interested in recruiting Michael Talia, as we could offer our pick 14 or the one we get for Jetta to the Bulldogs for Talia and say their 2nd rounder and perhaps 3rd rounder, whatever makes sense from a value points perspective. It could be quite an attractive offer from the Bulldogs perspective to have 2 first rounders when they are building a contending team and faced with losing aging stars like Murphy, Boyd and Morris in the next few years. I'm not sure Adelaide would be willing to do something similar, even though they are also going to have at least 2 first rounders as well.

I hadn't thought about this kind of flexibility when evaluating the merits of the new academy bidding system. It will be important for us to have all the calculations in place as well as our trades set up before we actually commit anything, so we know exactly what we have to play with at draft time and we don't end up with a bunch of useless picks late in the draft.

I also see that the Swans' website is reporting that 5 academy players have nominated for the draft, but only rate Mills as a worthy of selection:

Darcy Baron-Hay (North Shore), Lachlan Behagg (Manly Giants), Ryan Hebron (North Shore), Callum Mills (Mosman Swans) and Matthew Wilson (Maroubra) are the five players to have nominated.

[Mug Punter]

The West Australian is reporting that the Eagles are prepared to give us their 1st round pick for Jetta. Eagles eye Lewis Jetta - The West Australian

If true, this could work well if we are interested in recruiting Michael Talia, as we could offer our pick 14 or the one we get for Jetta to the Bulldogs for Talia and say their 2nd rounder and perhaps 3rd rounder, whatever makes sense from a value points perspective. It could be quite an attractive offer from the Bulldogs perspective to have 2 first rounders when they are building a contending team and faced with losing aging stars like Murphy, Boyd and Morris in the next few years. I'm not sure Adelaide would be willing to do something similar, even though they are also going to have at least 2 first rounders as well.

I hadn't thought about this kind of flexibility when evaluating the merits of the new academy bidding system. It will be important for us to have all the calculations in place as well as our trades set up before we actually commit anything, so we know exactly what we have to play with at draft time and we don't end up with a bunch of useless picks late in the draft.

I also see that the Swans' website is reporting that 5 academy players have nominated for the draft, but only rate Mills as a worthy of selection:

Darcy Baron-Hay (North Shore), Lachlan Behagg (Manly Giants), Ryan Hebron (North Shore), Callum Mills (Mosman Swans) and Matthew Wilson (Maroubra) are the five players to have nominated.

I would think either a second round pick or the scenario you have raised for Talia would work. From a doggies point o view having two first round oicks would be ideal

Interesting re the academy kids, I'd hope at least two of this kids get drafted as rookies but it's possible that we'll just take Mills, Dunks and Sam plus one other

If get Zak Smith with our first round Jetta pick from WCE and efectively trade our second round pick for Talia then we will not have much in the pot points wise after drafting Mills.

I would think that our drafting of Dunkley is by no means certain - I would think we won't want to go too far into deficit for next year and they'll have a number in mind and be prepaed to let him pass - I'd say we won't want to be more than 300 points in the red which will mean if he goes before about 25 he won't be in red and white. I'd think he may still be available at that stage but by no means certain...

[Pmcc2911]

Does anyone have any insight as to what is the catalyst for an academy player to nominate for the draft.
Dose the kid just think he will have a go and just stick his hand up or do they get a nudge from the academy coaches to nominate.
Surprised Jake Veale isn't amongst those nominating, he would be at least the equal of the guys listed. You would hope a couple them get run on the rookie list.

[Ludwig]

If get Zak Smith with our first round Jetta pick from WCE and efectively trade our second round pick for Talia then we will not have much in the pot points wise after drafting Mills.

I think a pick in the 30s would be about right for Zac Smith. He's been playing senior footy for 5 years and has never been a standout, missing lots of senior footy due to injury or poor form. Lost the top spot at GC to Tom Nicholls, so he's not someone likely to transform our ruck division. I frankly don't see where he offers more than Naismith, and little more than Nankervis. I still think we should hold off another year on ruckmen and see how things develop with what we've got. If Pyke is 'unplayable' due to his knee problems, I can see why we might be looking to get another ruckman, but don't see the point in adding quantity when what we really need is quality.

[Auntie.Gerald]

pmcc i thought it was in consultation with the academy - i.e. generally the club academy recommends or not

[caj23]

The West Australian is reporting that the Eagles are prepared to give us their 1st round pick for Jetta. Eagles eye Lewis Jetta - The West Australian

If true, this could work well if we are interested in recruiting Michael Talia, as we could offer our pick 14 or the one we get for Jetta to the Bulldogs for Talia and say their 2nd rounder and perhaps 3rd rounder, whatever makes sense from a value points perspective. It could be quite an attractive offer from the Bulldogs perspective to have 2 first rounders when they are building a contending team and faced with losing aging stars like Murphy, Boyd and Morris in the next few years. I'm not sure Adelaide would be willing to do something similar, even though they are also going to have at least 2 first rounders as well.

I hadn't thought about this kind of flexibility when evaluating the merits of the new academy bidding system. It will be important for us to have all the calculations in place as well as our trades set up before we actually commit anything, so we know exactly what we have to play with at draft time and we don't end up with a bunch of useless picks late in the draft.

I also see that the Swans' website is reporting that 5 academy players have nominated for the draft, but only rate Mills as a worthy of selection:

Darcy Baron-Hay (North Shore), Lachlan Behagg (Manly Giants), Ryan Hebron (North Shore), Callum Mills (Mosman Swans) and Matthew Wilson (Maroubra) are the five players to have nominated.

Talia not rated highly by doggies fans, most on the other site think they'll get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him at best

[Auntie.Gerald]

i think Zac Smith is a good idea Ludwig

reasons being :

i) our ruck needs to dominate and he is at the right age to take it on
ii) Pyke injury he is carrying appears serious and long term given the last 18months
iii) negotiations with Tippo become real again soon as he has been a much reduced contract i.e. first two years where huge and the next two years are half
iv) i reckon the GC club is a toxic environment and a player with his athleticism is worth a shot for two years on the smaller SCG
v) Nanko aint the solution
vi) Sammy is very injury prone and could be another year or two away

[Auntie.Gerald]

"West Coast?s pursuit of Jetta has left them unlikely to make a bid for Gold Coast midfielder Harley Bennell, who is due to meet Fremantle this week."

[Nico]

I think a pick in the 30s would be about right for Zac Smith. He's been playing senior footy for 5 years and has never been a standout, missing lots of senior footy due to injury or poor form. Lost the top spot at GC to Tom Nicholls, so he's not someone likely to transform our ruck division. I frankly don't see where he offers more than Naismith, and little more than Nankervis. I still think we should hold off another year on ruckmen and see how things develop with what we've got. If Pyke is 'unplayable' due to his knee problems, I can see why we might be looking to get another ruckman, but don't see the point in adding quantity when what we really need is quality.

You have just told us why we shouldn't bother with Smith; not much good. Why would we even consider a pick at 30 when we still have Tom D. I'd go for Ayce Cordy before Smith.

I just hope Toby Nankervis gives this site a miss. Most people don't seem to rate him. From what I saw he looks like a good player in the making. Too slow? What ruckman apart from Nic Nat is quick? Toby just needs to build his tank. His ruck work is ok, he is a very big unit and well skilled for a big man.

[Levii3]

We need outside run what about Jared Petrenko

[Conor_Dillon]

You have just told us why we shouldn't bother with Smith; not much good. Why would we even consider a pick at 30 when we still have Tom D. I'd go for Ayce Cordy before Smith.

I just hope Toby Nankervis gives this site a miss. Most people don't seem to rate him. From what I saw he looks like a good player in the making. Too slow? What ruckman apart from Nic Nat is quick? Toby just needs to build his tank. His ruck work is ok, he is a very big unit and well skilled for a big man.

Agree 100% RE Toby...looks to be a natural footballer with good foot-skills and reasonably deft tap work, hope he can have a massive pre-season!

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We need outside run what about Jared Petrenko

He battled in the SANFL this year, didn't he?

[Ludwig]

i think Zac Smith is a good idea Ludwig

reasons being :

i) our ruck needs to dominate and he is at the right age to take it on
ii) Pyke injury he is carrying appears serious and long term given the last 18months
iii) negotiations with Tippo become real again soon as he has been a much reduced contract i.e. first two years where huge and the next two years are half
iv) i reckon the GC club is a toxic environment and a player with his athleticism is worth a shot for two years on the smaller SCG
v) Nanko aint the solution
vi) Sammy is very injury prone and could be another year or two away

Last year Smith averaged under 25 hitouts in 11 games and under 23 hitouts in 10 games the year before. In those 21 games he kicked a total of 4 goals. Hardly what you would call a dominant performance. Zac Smith has also had a fair share of injuries. It is true that Naismith has been injury prone. This year it was osteo pubis; but usually players make a full recovery from this and just requires a long rest period. The Swans' must think think he has a future since we game him a new 3 year contract.

My point about the ruck situation is that there isn't anything all that exciting out there and available this year. If we can hold out another year we might find our problems solved with what is already on our list. If not, we should have a bit more bargaining power next year without the trade restriction nor any apparent high quality academy players to spend draft picks on. I don't see our ruck situation as desperate.

Also agree with Nico about Nankervis. He's a decent ruckman already at a very young age. He's got his problems competing effectively around the ground against experienced defenders, but he will learn in due course. He's developing a strong body and could be a Mummy type player in a few years.

[Levii3]

Last year Smith averaged under 25 hitouts in 11 games and under 23 hitouts in 10 games the year before. In those 21 games he kicked a total of 4 goals. Hardly what you would call a dominant performance. Zac Smith has also had a fair share of injuries. It is true that Naismith has been injury prone. This year it was osteo pubis; but usually players make a full recovery from this and just requires a long rest period. The Swans' must think think he has a future since we game him a new 3 year contract.

My point about the ruck situation is that there isn't anything all that exciting out there and available this year. If we can hold out another year we might find our problems solved with what is already on our list. If not, we should have a bit more bargaining power next year without the trade restriction nor any apparent high quality academy players to spend draft picks on. I don't see our ruck situation as desperate.

Also agree with Nico about Nankervis. He's a decent ruckman already at a very young age. He's got his problems competing effectively around the ground against experienced defenders, but he will learn in due course. He's developing a strong body and could be a Mummy type player in a few years.

We need a new ruck man Pyke can't play a full season even when played he didn't look great his second efforts work around the ground was ordinary. Tom Derickx is a likely replacement but he seems to fallen to third of forth position in the ruck, if we are to stay in top six next season we need someone to hold ruck together and that is not Pyke.
Tippet seems to have found a sweetspot between ruck and forward may kick 50 goals next season.