Trade target discussion (merged thread)

[Meg]

Yeah, get it Meg, its all in the punktuation....... I should have known better....I worry about my boys.....

One of the nice things I've observed is that there seems to be a strong, supportive bond of friendship amongst the partners of a lot of the players. I occasionally look at some of the players partners' Instagram accounts (as do you I notice from comments) and they cross-comment to each other a lot. Particularly lately with so many babies!
I've noticed Jetta's partner is part of that group (although her own Instagram account is private so I've never looked at that).

[Mug Punter]

I think both Yarran and Bennell have bad attitude. Bennell is an off field disaster waiting to happen and not on our radar. Yarran is lazy and doesn't seem to listen. I don't know about either of them. Talia is a definite for me, tall, strong and can only get stronger as he gets older. With all the help he will get from reg & Teddy he will be a very good player. I don't think Beverage has managed this lad very well. Beverage is very big on reproaching it seems even before the player has been found guilty.

I think Newman will replace Shaw and his delivery is far, far better. Both Bennell and Yarran have some problems with good decision making but Newman is cool.

We need to pick up a new ruckman as well as keeping Naismith who has just been given a three year contract. Smith is the bloke as far as I'm concerned. when he was first drafted he led Mummy on a long run and kicked a super goal. I think his problem as Suns is he isn't happy. Bring him to Sydney and I'll guarantee he will be 10 times the ruckman.

Players who I see heading elsewhere or retiring

Craig Bird

As much as this pains me as I am a Birdie fan I think his time is unfortunately up at Swans. He hardly played a game this year and while good he didn't exactly slaughter and star in the NEAFL. He would be a good pick up for a team that needs a strong experienced player, Suns, Dees, Blues, Saints etc. He could be a trade offered in the Smith deal.

I think we'd like to get a ruckman and defender in - Talia should be available fairly cheaply in terms of picks (second round pick at most) and cash (under the $340K). Smith might cost us a bit more on both counts - I wouldn't be surprised for us to swap our Jetta compensation for him.

We then need to see if we can afford to bring in both Mills and Dunks Jnr. Assuming we get something for Bird and Robbo and assuming Mills goes at 4 or later then we should be able to pay for Mills out of this draft points. Reckon Dunks depends purely on where he goes at - I'd think we will only want to go 400 points max into deficit next year. They'll also take into account what other academy talent is in the pipeline - we're not hearing of any great picks for next draft like we were with Mills last year so I'd say we might decide to talent bank this year and have a leaner draft year next year.

So, for me

In
Talia
Smith
Mills
Dunkley
Naismith
Additional Academy draftee

Out
Goodes
Shaw
Jetta
Bird
Robinson
Marsh

[Ludwig]

I think both Yarran and Bennell have bad attitude. Bennell is an off field disaster waiting to happen and not on our radar. Yarran is lazy and doesn't seem to listen. I don't know about either of them. Talia is a definite for me, tall, strong and can only get stronger as he gets older. With all the help he will get from reg & Teddy he will be a very good player. I don't think Beverage has managed this lad very well. Beverage is very big on reproaching it seems even before the player has been found guilty.

I think Newman will replace Shaw and his delivery is far, far better. Both Bennell and Yarran have some problems with good decision making but Newman is cool.

We need to pick up a new ruckman as well as keeping Naismith who has just been given a three year contract. Smith is the bloke as far as I'm concerned. when he was first drafted he led Mummy on a long run and kicked a super goal. I think his problem as Suns is he isn't happy. Bring him to Sydney and I'll guarantee he will be 10 times the ruckman.

Players who I see heading elsewhere or retiring

Craig Bird

As much as this pains me as I am a Birdie fan I think his time is unfortunately up at Swans. He hardly played a game this year and while good he didn't exactly slaughter and star in the NEAFL. He would be a good pick up for a team that needs a strong experienced player, Suns, Dees, Blues, Saints etc. He could be a trade offered in the Smith deal.

Tom Derrickx

Poor old Tom is just not good enough and will be moved on.

Harry Marsh

Three years on the list and still hasn't played an AFL game so he's gone. History says no team keeps a bloke any longer who hasn't made a debut.

Lewis Jetta

As we all know Jetts wants to go home and we should negotiate a trade of a fast young player for him.

Adam Goodes

It had to happen sooner or later. He went out on his terms. good on Adam.

Rhyce Shaw

He retires after a great career after a pretty hard start.

Sean McLaren

He didn't exactly inspire in the reserves. His inability to take a big mark at 198cm is disappointing. I don't know whether he will be retained as we need to make room on the list. I know he is only on the rookie list but I think we might extend the senior list next year.




I think there are several players in their last season next year; Teddy Richards, Mike Pyke and Benny McGlinn. If I remember rightly Teddy signed a one year extension to his contract which means even he doesn't see much beyond next year. Pykie looked a little injury prone and then shot at the end of the year. Benny has been injured most of the year another year like this one and the club will tap him on the shoulder.

Our list needs several things. Yes we need a fast runner off the back flank if that is the sort of game we are developing. A tall defender who is ready and Talia fits this mould. A ruckman who is ready and Smith fits this. We need more speed as we can't rely on just Hiscox to develop. All the players we draft should have elite disposal skills. We seem to draft on hardness alone, not worrying about disposal skills and developing them later. I think in the AFL that is developing this is a mistake as elite skills are the thing that is winning premierships. Our first year reserves developed well this year often having to play teams that were much stronger due to only playing with between 10 and 13 listed players on most occasions. Injuries didn't just hurt the seniors, the reserves had their own problems with Naismith, Newman, Perris, Foote, Melican, Derrickx, Hiscox, Marsh, Hewett, Robinson and Aliir all spending time on the sidelines.

Hewett, Davis, Hiscox, Aliir (when he played), X Richards, Newman, Foote, Robbo, Davis and Rose all developed very well. Melican showed promise early before getting injured and looked to be just getting into the rhythm when the season ended after only 3 games. We need to add a couple of young experienced players like Talia and Smith to the list to fit in with this bunch. I don't think we are too far away but we need to strengthen the list slightly and make sure our skills are up to scratch. This to me means the experienced players coming back early with the kids and practising their skills over and over again until they are smooth and slick. The major offenders when it comes to @@@@ kicks are not the young players but the more senior players.

I agree with most of your analysis and would focus on shoring up the KPD and ruck as you have stated.

Derickx has another year left on his contract, so I doubt if we would delist him if only due to salary cap constraints, but might delist and redraft him to our rookie list if we feel we need another spot on the main list. I feel that Freo will be looking to replace their aging talls and won't have much left to offer for Jetta, so his most likely destination is WCE. Freo may also be looking to get Leuenberger as they seem to have lost faith in the ability of any of their other ruckman to replace Sandilands down the road. We may be looking at the possibility of a straight swap for Sinclair or Lycett, who are both competing for the 2nd ruck position, but would almost certainly walk into the lead role at Sydney. We may even get them to take Derickx off our hands, because WC would otherwise only have 2 ruckmen on their list. It may come down to the modelling opportunities available in Perth.

I would prefer to see if we could hold off committing to another ruckman and see how things unfold next year. Getting a decent ruckman could shut out Naismith and Nanka, and we could find ourselves with too many competitive but non-dominant ruckmen on our list. I would be more inclined to take this route if we can squeeze another year out of Pyke. With Tippett and Reid in the forward line and quite capable in the ruck, I doubt we will be a team that will play 2 primary ruckmen.

Michael Talia has been linked to us, which does make sense given our lack of depth at KPD. I think Adelaide wouldn't mind getting him as well, although they have a better outlook than we do in this position with Daniel Talia and Jake Lever seemingly locks on the first 2 KPD spots for a long time to come. Andy Otten is back from his second ACL reco and would be the most likely 3rd tall if he can stay on the park. That would give them one of the strongest KPD trios in the league, and all are still young. They have been playing Kyle Hartigan this year, who looks capable, but far from an A grader, but again, he's also young and has improved a lot this year. There is also rookie draftee Keenan Ramsey, notable for having only one eye, who is very good prospect. It's hard to say how much influence Michael's brother will have on his decision. They may not even want to play at the same club. And Michael is not a free agent, so a trade has to be done with WB. Adelaide will have the cash in the bank if they want to go hard. From Michael's perspective, he will almost certainly become the prime candidate to replace Ted, with the only serious competition coming from Xav, while he would have to fight hard for a senior spot at Adelaide. It's a pretty complicated situation that's not easy to pick. I think his career opportunities look better at Sydney and perhaps this will be the key decider.

I would be inclined to keep Marsh for another year. He was tried in the midfield for 2 years and it didn't suit him, but he has come on well this year, being our best rated player in the ressies and making the NEAFL all star team. The way I look at it is that if there's not a DFA or low draft pick that we see as better value Marsh, what's the point of replacing him. We've put 3 years into him and he has been progressing. I feel that we will not go for a Jetta type replacement, but will instead change our strategy to be less dependent of a line breaking speedster to set up play. We have a few options in this regard, including Nic Newman and Marsh is quite quick as well. Room has to be made to accommodate the influx of high quality young midfielders on our list, so trying to replace Jetta with a like for like will just make that more difficult.

If we have an understanding with Dunkley that he will nominate us as a FS candidate, I think it would be preferable to leave the declaration to that effect to the last minute (30 Oct.), so other clubs have less time to work out if he is in their draft plans and place other players ahead of him in their draft priorities. If he makes it to pick 20, he's probably worth a shot, even if we do have a full slate of inside mids. It's a way to get a good player with low draft picks that otherwise might just be wasted of low potential late picks. It may also depend on how many value points we have in the bank when draft day comes around.

[chalbilto]

I agree with most of your analysis and would focus on shoring up the KPD and ruck as you have stated.

Derickx has another year left on his contract, so I doubt if we would delist him if only due to salary cap constraints, but might delist and redraft him to our rookie list if we feel we need another spot on the main list. I feel that Freo will be looking to replace their aging talls and won't have much left to offer for Jetta, so his most likely destination is WCE. Freo may also be looking to get Leuenberger as they seem to have lost faith in the ability of any of their other ruckman to replace Sandilands down the road. We may be looking at the possibility of a straight swap for Sinclair or Lycett, who are both competing for the 2nd ruck position, but would almost certainly walk into the lead role at Sydney. We may even get them to take Derickx off our hands, because WC would otherwise only have 2 ruckmen on their list. It may come down to the modelling opportunities available in Perth.

I would prefer to see if we could hold off committing to another ruckman and see how things unfold next year. Getting a decent ruckman could shut out Naismith and Nanka, and we could find ourselves with too many competitive but non-dominant ruckmen on our list. I would be more inclined to take this route if we can squeeze another year out of Pyke. With Tippett and Reid in the forward line and quite capable in the ruck, I doubt we will be a team that will play 2 primary ruckmen.

Michael Talia has been linked to us, which does make sense given our lack of depth at KPD. I think Adelaide wouldn't mind getting him as well, although they have a better outlook than we do in this position with Daniel Talia and Jake Lever seemingly locks on the first 2 KPD spots for a long time to come. Andy Otten is back from his second ACL reco and would be the most likely 3rd tall if he can stay on the park. That would give them one of the strongest KPD trios in the league, and all are still young. They have been playing Kyle Hartigan this year, who looks capable, but far from an A grader, but again, he's also young and has improved a lot this year. There is also rookie draftee Keenan Ramsey, notable for having only one eye, who is very good prospect. It's hard to say how much influence Michael's brother will have on his decision. They may not even want to play at the same club. And Michael is not a free agent, so a trade has to be done with WB. Adelaide will have the cash in the bank if they want to go hard. From Michael's perspective, he will almost certainly become the prime candidate to replace Ted, with the only serious competition coming from Xav, while he would have to fight hard for a senior spot at Adelaide. It's a pretty complicated situation that's not easy to pick. I think his career opportunities look better at Sydney and perhaps this will be the key decider.

I would be inclined to keep Marsh for another year. He was tried in the midfield for 2 years and it didn't suit him, but he has come on well this year, being our best rated player in the ressies and making the NEAFL all star team. The way I look at it is that if there's not a DFA or low draft pick that we see as better value Marsh, what's the point of replacing him. We've put 3 years into him and he has been progressing. I feel that we will not go for a Jetta type replacement, but will instead change our strategy to be less dependent of a line breaking speedster to set up play. We have a few options in this regard, including Nic Newman and Marsh is quite quick as well. Room has to be made to accommodate the influx of high quality young midfielders on our list, so trying to replace Jetta with a like for like will just make that more difficult.

If we have an understanding with Dunkley that he will nominate us as a FS candidate, I think it would be preferable to leave the declaration to that effect to the last minute (30 Oct.), so other clubs have less time to work out if he is in their draft plans and place other players ahead of him in their draft priorities. If he makes it to pick 20, he's probably worth a shot, even if we do have a full slate of inside mids. It's a way to get a good player with low draft picks that otherwise might just be wasted of low potential late picks. It may also depend on how many value points we have in the bank when draft day comes around.

As Derickx has another year left on his contract what happens to our salary cap if he gets delisted and if this were to occur does the club pay him his contact figure? Also how does delisting him and redrafting him work with regards to his current contract?

[Mug Punter]

I agree with most of your analysis and would focus on shoring up the KPD and ruck as you have stated.

Derickx has another year left on his contract, so I doubt if we would delist him if only due to salary cap constraints, but might delist and redraft him to our rookie list if we feel we need another spot on the main list. I feel that Freo will be looking to replace their aging talls and won't have much left to offer for Jetta, so his most likely destination is WCE. Freo may also be looking to get Leuenberger as they seem to have lost faith in the ability of any of their other ruckman to replace Sandilands down the road. We may be looking at the possibility of a straight swap for Sinclair or Lycett, who are both competing for the 2nd ruck position, but would almost certainly walk into the lead role at Sydney. We may even get them to take Derickx off our hands, because WC would otherwise only have 2 ruckmen on their list. It may come down to the modelling opportunities available in Perth.

I would prefer to see if we could hold off committing to another ruckman and see how things unfold next year. Getting a decent ruckman could shut out Naismith and Nanka, and we could find ourselves with too many competitive but non-dominant ruckmen on our list. I would be more inclined to take this route if we can squeeze another year out of Pyke. With Tippett and Reid in the forward line and quite capable in the ruck, I doubt we will be a team that will play 2 primary ruckmen.

Michael Talia has been linked to us, which does make sense given our lack of depth at KPD. I think Adelaide wouldn't mind getting him as well, although they have a better outlook than we do in this position with Daniel Talia and Jake Lever seemingly locks on the first 2 KPD spots for a long time to come. Andy Otten is back from his second ACL reco and would be the most likely 3rd tall if he can stay on the park. That would give them one of the strongest KPD trios in the league, and all are still young. They have been playing Kyle Hartigan this year, who looks capable, but far from an A grader, but again, he's also young and has improved a lot this year. There is also rookie draftee Keenan Ramsey, notable for having only one eye, who is very good prospect. It's hard to say how much influence Michael's brother will have on his decision. They may not even want to play at the same club. And Michael is not a free agent, so a trade has to be done with WB. Adelaide will have the cash in the bank if they want to go hard. From Michael's perspective, he will almost certainly become the prime candidate to replace Ted, with the only serious competition coming from Xav, while he would have to fight hard for a senior spot at Adelaide. It's a pretty complicated situation that's not easy to pick. I think his career opportunities look better at Sydney and perhaps this will be the key decider.

I would be inclined to keep Marsh for another year. He was tried in the midfield for 2 years and it didn't suit him, but he has come on well this year, being our best rated player in the ressies and making the NEAFL all star team. The way I look at it is that if there's not a DFA or low draft pick that we see as better value Marsh, what's the point of replacing him. We've put 3 years into him and he has been progressing. I feel that we will not go for a Jetta type replacement, but will instead change our strategy to be less dependent of a line breaking speedster to set up play. We have a few options in this regard, including Nic Newman and Marsh is quite quick as well. Room has to be made to accommodate the influx of high quality young midfielders on our list, so trying to replace Jetta with a like for like will just make that more difficult.

If we have an understanding with Dunkley that he will nominate us as a FS candidate, I think it would be preferable to leave the declaration to that effect to the last minute (30 Oct.), so other clubs have less time to work out if he is in their draft plans and place other players ahead of him in their draft priorities. If he makes it to pick 20, he's probably worth a shot, even if we do have a full slate of inside mids. It's a way to get a good player with low draft picks that otherwise might just be wasted of low potential late picks. It may also depend on how many value points we have in the bank when draft day comes around.

Hard to argue with that analysis really.

The rucking issue is interesting but I personally think Pyke will not be good enough to take us to finals success. If the list managers share this view then we need to go to the trade table.

A four ruckman fleet of Smith, Tippett, Naismith and Nankervis would potentially as good as any in the comp and also one with lots of options given Smith, Tippett and Nankervis can play the KPF role too if required.

Agree with Dunks that they'll probably take him if he gets to 20 but pass earlier.

[Levii3]

A four ruckman fleet of Smith, Tippett, Naismith and Nankervis would potentially as good as any in the comp and also one with lots of options given Smith, Tippett and Nankervis can play the KPF role too if required.

Agree with Dunks that they'll probably take him if he gets to 20 but pass earlier.

I think we may get one of the Weagles ruckman either Sinclair or Lycett in the Jetta deal given Smith is a restricted free agent.

[RogueSwan]

I think we may get one of the Weagles ruckman either Sinclair or Lycett in the Jetta deal given Smith is a restricted free agent.

I would be happy with any of Smith, Sinclair or Lycett, just not Leuenberger.
As far as Backs go, I was really hoping X would be given a few games this year to see where he is it at. In the couple of games he has already had he did not look out of place.

[annew]

Lyc?e just recently signed a four year contract extension so cannot see him going anywhere.

[Scottee]

I'm getting cold feet about Dunkley after reading the Phantom Drafts. No outside game, poor kick, slowish, small tank! Hewett seems a better bet with elite disposal on either side , 2 years of Swans development under his belt, still only 19. As long as there aren't other issues we don't know about it seems that Dunkley would be surplus to requirements.

[Primmy]

I'm getting cold feet about Dunkley after reading the Phantom Drafts. No outside game, poor kick, slowish, small tank! Hewett seems a better bet with elite disposal on either side , 2 years of Swans development under his belt, still only 19. As long as there aren't other issues we don't know about it seems that Dunkley would be surplus to requirements.

Good lord that sounds like Dunks!

Think George will get picked up regardless

[Levii3]

Dunkley will go to Richmond he's been playing for them in the VFL almost all season.

[ugg]

Richmond have no claim on Dunkley, if he risks going into the national draft he can end up at any club

[707]

Richmond's picks are trickily placed to secure Dunkley, 12 will be too high you'd think and by the 30s he has gone.

If he has no redeeming features, why would other teams want him??

[Levii3]

Richmond's picks are trickily placed to secure Dunkley, 12 will be too high you'd think and by the 30s he has gone.

If he has no redeeming features, why would other teams want him??

He's an big (189cm) inside midfielder which Richmond need he hasn't nominated us trade period starts in two weeks if he was going to nominate us he would have by now and by all accounts he's a shocking kick. Even if we draft him it seems he will leave for Victoria with the "Go home factor"

[Levii3]

What position does Nic Newman play?