Trade target discussion (merged thread)

[aardvark]

Yes, we've allocated a chunk of salary cap to Buddy for the next 7 years, but the salary cap will also increase over that period.

What it means is if Buddy doesn't play we will be roughly 10% worse off than every one else. The cap increasing is irrelevant. It is still a million or so bucks we can't use for the next 7 years.

[bungwahl]

What it means is if Buddy doesn't play we will be roughly 10% worse off than every one else. The cap increasing is irrelevant. It is still a million or so bucks we can't use for the next 7 years.

And it's certainly not something we should be panicking about at this stage. What if Parker reinjures his ankle and never runs again? What if Heeney walks out to pursue a calf modelling career? Surely we're not going to spend the off-season worrying about doomsday scenarios...

If Buddy never plays again, we'll work around it. We have never been a one-man club and we won't start now.

[Mug Punter]

And it's certainly not something we should be panicking about at this stage. What if Parker reinjures his ankle and never runs again? What if Heeney walks out to pursue a calf modelling career? Surely we're not going to spend the off-season worrying about doomsday scenarios...

If Buddy never plays again, we'll work around it. We have never been a one-man club and we won't start now.

Agree to an extent but the effect on us if Buddy never plays again will be extreme and it will hurt us.

But we we well aware of the risk attached to this deal when we signed him - it's no different to a kne injury a la AJ really....

[aardvark]

And it's certainly not something we should be panicking about at this stage.

I don't think anyone is panicking yet, just being realistic about what may or may not happen. I for one was always of the opinion recruiting Buddy on that contract was stretching things a bit. I hope i'm wrong.

[bungwahl]

Agree to an extent but the effect on us if Buddy never plays again will be extreme and it will hurt us.

But we we well aware of the risk attached to this deal when we signed him - it's no different to a kne injury a la AJ really....

Yeah exactly. The most likely scenario when we signed Buddy was that he'd play out around 7 of the 9 years. I think there were even quotes at the time saying that no-one actually expected him to play the full 9 years.

The top level contract amounts are increasing - e.g. Geelong rumoured to be offering somewhere over $800k a year Dangerfield, a midfielder - so other teams are also starting to commit large amounts to single players.

The one advantage we will have is the academy. Although we have to pay full price for academy selections now, our inside knowledge on the kids allows us to remove much of the risk of draft selections. Let's face it, we're not the greatest when it comes to drafting kids. We're excellent at recycling players at the trade table, but not great at drafting. The academy selections should improve our drafting, whilst we can still throw a few darts at late selections/rookies and see if we find any gems.

[WauchopeAnalyst]

Too many posters providing off field excuses and on field injuries. It ALL about game style, skills and tactics.

6th in attack. 5th in defence. Mcveigh's decision making and kicking is just fair to poor.

Little seen leadership and a coach who blames his team every week we lose, "Just need more effort". I am tired of the broken record.

One tactic this year. Train our defenders to kick it to the other team. Smooch was a total gun but how/when did he decided to kick so poorly at times will many others.

Our game style frieds the brains of our players and all player skills decline each year.

Same coaching will put us 5-8 category. The top 3 will beat us nearly every time and some building clubs will go past us.

Teddy is struggling, no contracts for Marsh, Hewett, Mills injured the whole year, Dunks is just a grinder, wasting money on another ruckman.

So many issues on field and list. All we can do is deal with what we have.

Maybe Longmire can just once stand up and admit we were out coached and stop yelling every 5 minutes in the box. That shows that coaches can transfer there own feelings through to their players. Toxic environment.

[Triple B]

They planned for Buddy to leave at the end of 2013 by developing Gunston and Bruest. They now have the money to thrive because they don't have to outlay a million dollars a year for Buddy while still scoring as effectively.

Developed him my ass. Got in his head and pinched him from Adelaide more like it...

[Pmcc2911]

I actually thought that was a really interesting article. The headline is basically just click bait to get people to read it, but the analysis within the article is quite interesting. The author does say he doesn't actually think the Swans should axe Longmire, but he raises some good points about game plan, tactics, etc. There is no way Longmire will get the chop, but I don't think we should shy away from discussing the current coaching crop and whether we could benefit from some new ideas.

He raises a good point regarding our performance against the lower ranked teams and conversely our lack of performance against the higher ranked teams.
Unless there is something under wraps, can we see that changing with our current list and game day strategy.

[AnnieH]

Too many posters providing off field excuses and on field injuries. It ALL about game style, skills and tactics.

6th in attack. 5th in defence. Mcveigh's decision making and kicking is just fair to poor.

Little seen leadership and a coach who blames his team every week we lose, "Just need more effort". I am tired of the broken record.

One tactic this year. Train our defenders to kick it to the other team. Smooch was a total gun but how/when did he decided to kick so poorly at times will many others.

Our game style frieds the brains of our players and all player skills decline each year.

Same coaching will put us 5-8 category. The top 3 will beat us nearly every time and some building clubs will go past us.

Teddy is struggling, no contracts for Marsh, Hewett, Mills injured the whole year, Dunks is just a grinder, wasting money on another ruckman.

So many issues on field and list. All we can do is deal with what we have.

Maybe Longmire can just once stand up a admit we wre out coached and stop yelling every 5 minutes in the box. That shows that coaches can transfer there own feelings through their players. Toxic environment.

It deeply saddens me how we struggle to get the ball past halfback.

[Ludwig]

Our game style frieds the brains of our players and all player skills decline each year.

What game style would that be? And how does it cause our skill level to decline?

[i'm-uninformed2]

I was keen until the news of earlier this week

Now? Wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.

Can he play?

[aardvark]

Yeah exactly. The most likely scenario when we signed Buddy was that he'd play out around 7 of the 9 years. I think there were even quotes at the time saying that no-one actually expected him to play the full 9 years.

The main justification for recruiting Buddy was that he'd win us a premiership or two in the first few years. That's looking a long way away at the moment.

[Bloods05]

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Too many posters providing off field excuses and on field injuries. It ALL about game style, skills and tactics.

6th in attack. 5th in defence. Mcveigh's decision making and kicking is just fair to poor.

Little seen leadership and a coach who blames his team every week we lose, "Just need more effort". I am tired of the broken record.

One tactic this year. Train our defenders to kick it to the other team. Smooch was a total gun but how/when did he decided to kick so poorly at times will many others.

Our game style frieds the brains of our players and all player skills decline each year.

Same coaching will put us 5-8 category. The top 3 will beat us nearly every time and some building clubs will go past us.

Teddy is struggling, no contracts for Marsh, Hewett, Mills injured the whole year, Dunks is just a grinder, wasting money on another ruckman.

So many issues on field and list. All we can do is deal with what we have.

Maybe Longmire can just once stand up and admit we were out coached and stop yelling every 5 minutes in the box. That shows that coaches can transfer there own feelings through to their players. Toxic environment.

[mcsquirta]

Cameron Ellis-Yolman has reportedly asked for a trade from the Crows. He started the season like a house on fire but couldn't keep the form up, and landed up out of the team. Reportedly he was unhappy with this and has asked for a move for "greater opportunities".

Thanks liz, from what I can find he had good SANFL & NAB cup form but like ugg said, Campo wasn't a fan. We've already got enough of his type, need more experienced backs.

[bungwahl]

The main justification for recruiting Buddy was that he'd win us a premiership or two in the first few years. That's looking a long way away at the moment.

Every player is recruited to win premierships, but there are 17 other clubs in the competition trying just as hard to do that. Buddy's recruitment was not only to win games, but to secure the Swans as top dog in Sydney and bring in the membership & sponsorship dollars. The money side has paid off already, and few could criticise Buddy's efforts to win the flag in 2014.

The club is in a very healthy position. Sure, we didn't have the end to the season that we wanted but some of the negativity around here is ridiculous.