2017 pre-season training thread

[Mark26]

Liz Said

'Hayward spent both sessions intently running around the oval, sometimes on his own, other times with someone who may have been Dawson (was wearing a cap so I wasn't 100% sure), and on Friday with one of the trainers. On Monday, Florent spent the session running with AJ but then kept going for a while on his own when AJ had had enough. By Friday Ollie was training with the main group.'

When our recruiting staff and some of the coaching staff met young Hayward mid last year, the one thing they asked him to do was build his tank. The kid took that onboard and hired a personal trainer. The thing the club obviously wants to do with this kid, is turn him into a Bruest style player, who can kick plenty of goals as a forward but can also be thrown into the mids. He has an incredible build, he might look skinny but it is all hard muscle, and I don't think we would have a problem playing him in the seniors if he showed the early season form. What I think is happening now, is they are still trying to build that tank with lots of running. When they think he has built the tank to the level they want, he will be in amongst the main group. I don't think that will be too long. The fitness staff trainer was getting him to do sprints in the middle of the laps to build aerobic endurance.

Could Hayward be the first of our new kids to crack into the senior squad this year? Can't wait for the season to start.

[Ludwig]

When our recruiting staff and some of the coaching staff met young Hayward mid last year, the one thing they asked him to do was build his tank. The kid took that onboard and hired a personal trainer. The thing the club obviously wants to do with this kid, is turn him into a Bruest style player, who can kick plenty of goals as a forward but can also be thrown into the mids. He has an incredible build, he might look skinny but it is all hard muscle, and I don't think we would have a problem playing him in the seniors if he showed the early season form. What I think is happening now, is they are still trying to build that tank with lots of running. When they think he has built the tank to the level they want, he will be in amongst the main group. I don't think that will be too long.

Hayward says he's already finished building his tank,



so the coaches have asked him to build something where he can use his tank to win an important battle.

I think he's on to something.

[The Big Cat]

it will be interesting to see how the no third man up rule will affect ruck contests. Will it favour the taller rucks suck as Naismith or the shorter more physical ones such as nankevevis.

I'm hoping the taller ruckman are going to do better now with tap skills increasing in value. That would make Cameron a good pickup

Champion Data have done an analysis of the banning of the third-man-up rule and have concluded that the the ruckman who will benefit most in the AFL is ............ Sam Naismith!

"Champion Data research, which is not entirely complete, suggests that certain players are targeted more often by the opposition by a third man. Melbourne?s Max Gawn and Sydney?s Sam Naismith had a third man up used against them on average much more than most other ruckmen." - Fox Sports

[Dosser]

Champion Data have done an analysis of the banning of the third-man-up rule and have concluded that the the ruckman who will benefit most in the AFL is ............ Sam Naismith!

"Champion Data research, which is not entirely complete, suggests that certain players are targeted more often by the opposition by a third man. Melbourne?s Max Gawn and Sydney?s Sam Naismith had a third man up used against them on average much more than most other ruckmen." - Fox Sports

I think Sandilands may benefit more than anything else. All you can do is rove to him now.

[wolftone57]

I think Sandilands may benefit more than anything else. All you can do is rove to him now.

Naismith is nearly as tall as Sandy. he can take him on and beat him. what's more Big Sammy can jump and Sandy can't even raise dirt. So I see it as an advantage to us not a disadvantage. That is if Sandy actually plays any footy this season.

[mcs]

Champion Data have done an analysis of the banning of the third-man-up rule and have concluded that the the ruckman who will benefit most in the AFL is ............ Sam Naismith!

"Champion Data research, which is not entirely complete, suggests that certain players are targeted more often by the opposition by a third man. Melbourne?s Max Gawn and Sydney?s Sam Naismith had a third man up used against them on average much more than most other ruckmen." - Fox Sports

Interesting....

I think this rule change will really benefit us, which is a nice change - as there has are more than a few examples of rule changes over the past decade that have had a pretty negative impact on the boys in Red and White.

[56-14]

Interesting....

I think this rule change will really benefit us, which is a nice change - as there has are more than a few examples of rule changes over the past decade that have had a pretty negative impact on the boys in Red and White.

With respect, I'm interested in the examples.

[mark121]

With respect, I'm interested in the examples.

We used to be a team known for holding the ball in if a teamate couldn't be found resulting in a ruck contest now if you do the same its a penalty against you. (a very big impact on our team)

They also changed the interchange rules when we largely introduced high rotations to the game under Paul Roos and were still a high rotation team when the rule was introduced. (small impact)

Hands in the back rule in a marking contest. We had a number of players who would initiate contact with opposition players often putting their hand on the back of opposition eg. Leo Barry and Barry Hall. Perfectly ok one year free kick the next. Opposition players would just back into these 2 players and their instinct was to put their hand up to protect the space. It was very frustrating. (big impact)

[Scottee]

We used to be a team known for holding the ball in if a teamate couldn't be found resulting in a ruck contest now if you do the same its a penalty against you. (a very big impact on our team)

They also changed the interchange rules when we largely introduced high rotations to the game under Paul Roos and were still a high rotation team when the rule was introduced. (small impact)

Hands in the back rule in a marking contest. We had a number of players who would initiate contact with opposition players often putting their hand on the back of opposition eg. Leo Barry and Barry Hall. Perfectly ok one year free kick the next. Opposition players would just back into these 2 players and their instinct was to put their hand up to protect the space. It was very frustrating. (big impact)

I call the hands in the back rule the anti Magic OLoughlin rule because I think that was who it was originally aimed at. His ability to read the ball in flight always seemed to allow him to make position and force his opponent under the ball.

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[dimelb]

? Hands in the back rule in a marking contest. We had a number of players who would initiate contact with opposition players often putting their hand on the back of opposition eg. Leo Barry and Barry Hall. Perfectly ok one year free kick the next. Opposition players would just back into these 2 players and their instinct was to put their hand up to protect the space. It was very frustrating. (big impact)

Ah, the "back in the hands" manoeuvre to earn a free kick. Really riles me.

[mcs]

We used to be a team known for holding the ball in if a teamate couldn't be found resulting in a ruck contest now if you do the same its a penalty against you. (a very big impact on our team)

They also changed the interchange rules when we largely introduced high rotations to the game under Paul Roos and were still a high rotation team when the rule was introduced. (small impact)

Hands in the back rule in a marking contest. We had a number of players who would initiate contact with opposition players often putting their hand on the back of opposition eg. Leo Barry and Barry Hall. Perfectly ok one year free kick the next. Opposition players would just back into these 2 players and their instinct was to put their hand up to protect the space. It was very frustrating. (big impact)

Thanks mark - that's a good rundown R56-14 of some of the examples that I was thinking of - but in particular the hands in the back rule really did seem at the time to be aimed at us.

[S.S. Bleeder]

With respect, I'm interested in the examples.

How about that fictitious one that banned us from trading any players for a few years. That had a bigger impact on us than any gameplay rule that applied to everyone.

[56-14]

How about that fictitious one that banned us from trading any players for a few years. That had a bigger impact on us than any gameplay rule that applied to everyone.

All for your post, especially "rule that applied to everyone."

(Not convinced by dimelb's "back in the hands" manoeuvre.)

[mcs]

All for your post, especially "rule that applied to everyone."

(Not convinced by dimelb's "back in the hands" manoeuvre.)

Of course the rules apply to everyone, but one can't argue that their impact is equal upon implementation either. As people have been arguing about the previous rules changes highlighted here (where a decent case can be mounted that we were more impacted than most other clubs), we will probably be better off than a lot of clubs following the banning of the 3rd man up rule. I have no sympathy for the likes of Geelong, Hawks and also the Fairypuppies, who probably aren't going to be helped at all by the latest rule change.

[Mel_C]

Do the swans start training again tomorrow?

I had a dream last night that we won the grand final. I didn't see it and don't know who we played...was just celebrating at a function with other supporters ????.

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