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  • Mug Punter
    On the Rookie List
    • Nov 2009
    • 3325

    Originally posted by AB Swannie
    The pipe dream of mine would be:

    1. Lose Sam Reid and Kurt Tippett freeing up cap space and obtaining 1st round compo for Sam.

    2. Make do with Buddy, Rohan, Hayward next year.

    3. Sign Tom Lynch from GC for 2019 on long term contract.
    You actually want to lose Sammy?

    I think he is a very important player for us as our second KPF and will be very hard to replace.

    I doubt we'd be a snowflakes for Lynch as much as I'd like him. He is contracted until the end of next year when be a RFA which means of course Gold Coast will have the ability to match any offer. Given that Buddy is to be paid $1.3m, $1.4m and $1.5m in 2019, 2020 and 2021 we clearly would not be able to make a bid that the Suns wouldn't match nor would we be able to afford his demands.

    I could imagine that some Melbourne clubs would be actively frontloading contracts this year and next to clear up space to make a bid for Tom though, it will be a huge bidding war and I would think he'd be close to the highest player in the game in 2019

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    • Mug Punter
      On the Rookie List
      • Nov 2009
      • 3325

      Originally posted by Boddo
      No. IMO Package the pick we got for Reid or Jones with our first and try to trade up the order for a kpp, preferably Brander. Or draft Balta if unable to obtain. I've said before it takes 3 years for kpp to start playing good consistent footy. With Nick there it'll take 4. He would be just slowing the development of potentially a 10 year player.
      I think we'd probably only do that if we lost Sammy, based on the premise we would have a good 4 years left on him and at least three for Buddy thus allowing Blakey to come on.

      If we lost Sammy then I think your strategy would have merit as history tells that KPFs usually go high first round and this would be a rare chance for us to nail one. I think we could make do with Rohan at FF, or Tippett (think we'll keep him if we lose Sammy) next year while Brander (or whoever) develops along with Blakey hopefully in the draft after.

      In fact I actually think Rohan would make an excellent leading Full Forward if he was settled there, think he would be very hard to match up on as he is tall enough, is a dynamic lead and has a strong paid of hands.

      Ideally we keep both Sammy and Zak provided we don't pay overs which I don't think we'll do

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      • Boddo
        Senior Player
        • Mar 2017
        • 1049

        Originally posted by Mug Punter
        I think we'd probably only do that if we lost Sammy, based on the premise we would have a good 4 years left on him and at least three for Buddy thus allowing Blakey to come on.

        If we lost Sammy then I think your strategy would have merit as history tells that KPFs usually go high first round and this would be a rare chance for us to nail one. I think we could make do with Rohan at FF, or Tippett (think we'll keep him if we lose Sammy) next year while Brander (or whoever) develops along with Blakey hopefully in the draft after.

        In fact I actually think Rohan would make an excellent leading Full Forward if he was settled there, think he would be very hard to match up on as he is tall enough, is a dynamic lead and has a strong paid of hands.

        Ideally we keep both Sammy and Zak provided we don't pay overs which I don't think we'll do
        I've previously explained the reasons why I would trade up if either left so I don't really want to repeat myself to everyone else. I agree 100% in regards to Rohan but it doesn't look like the coaching staff believe the same thing. He provides a contest, has great pace for leading, mobile & has very good forward pressure. Perfect FF. I do agree I'd prefer to keep both. I just don't think Tippet will play a full season.

        Also Brander is the only one I'd trade up for unless there was a rediculous chance we'd trade for a top 3 pick. Next year there is talk that there may be live trading which would be great for a club like ours who really needs to target a couple of KPF over the next couple of years.

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        Originally posted by Mug Punter
        You actually want to lose Sammy?

        I think he is a very important player for us as our second KPF and will be very hard to replace.

        I doubt we'd be a snowflakes for Lynch as much as I'd like him. He is contracted until the end of next year when be a RFA which means of course Gold Coast will have the ability to match any offer. Given that Buddy is to be paid $1.3m, $1.4m and $1.5m in 2019, 2020 and 2021 we clearly would not be able to make a bid that the Suns wouldn't match nor would we be able to afford his demands.

        I could imagine that some Melbourne clubs would be actively frontloading contracts this year and next to clear up space to make a bid for Tom though, it will be a huge bidding war and I would think he'd be close to the highest player in the game in 2019
        Agree no chance. I think Reid is very underrated and is very important to our structure.

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        • AB Swannie
          Senior Player
          • Mar 2017
          • 1579

          Originally posted by Mug Punter
          You actually want to lose Sammy
          Sorry. I wasn't very clear. If, and only if, we were able to get Lynch by losing Sam this year, then yes. I realise how much of a pipe dream this is.

          Therefore, overall, I'd love to keep both Sam and Zak and give up on Lynch.

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          • Club 80
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Apr 2017
            • 149

            Originally posted by AB Swannie
            Sorry. I wasn't very clear. If, and only if, we were able to get Lynch by losing Sam this year, then yes. I realise how much of a pipe dream this is.

            Therefore, overall, I'd love to keep both Sam and Zak and give up on Lynch.
            I would love to have Jonathan Patten. He is developing into a great marking key forward. He and Buddy would be known as Club 60 as they can both launch the ball at goal from 60 metres.

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            • waswan
              Senior Player
              • Oct 2015
              • 2047

              What about Tippo for Goldstein ?

              Both out of form could do with a change ?

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              • Mug Punter
                On the Rookie List
                • Nov 2009
                • 3325

                Originally posted by Club 80
                I would love to have Jonathan Patten. He is developing into a great marking key forward. He and Buddy would be known as Club 60 as they can both launch the ball at goal from 60 metres.
                No chance we could afford him, of course we'd all like him just as we'd all like Dangerfield

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                Originally posted by waswan
                What about Tippo for Goldstein ?

                Both out of form could do with a change ?
                I'm happy with Niasmith as our long term ruckman

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                • S.S. Bleeder
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 2165

                  Originally posted by Boddo
                  No. IMO Package the pick we got for Reid or Jones with our first and try to trade up the order for a kpp, preferably Brander. Or draft Balta if unable to obtain. I've said before it takes 3 years for kpp to start playing good consistent footy. With Nick there it'll take 4. He would be just slowing the development of potentially a 10 year player.
                  Why would Riewoldt slow down the development of a player in the NEAFL? Brander/Balta wouldn't be ready for seniors for a couple of years and Reiwoldt would be gone by then. BTW, Brander will go top 3 and we wouldn't be able trade up for that.

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                  • waswan
                    Senior Player
                    • Oct 2015
                    • 2047

                    I'm happy with Niasmith as our long term ruckman[/QUOTE]

                    Agree but in a trade for a 30yr old for 29YR old, I think it would be worth it........
                    Goldy can go forward

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                    • S.S. Bleeder
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 2165

                      Originally posted by The Big Cat
                      Goodes kept Membrey out of the team!!!!???? That's like saying Einstein stopped my grade 5 science teacher from getting a Nobel prize for physics!!!
                      Membrey still struggling to be legitimate AFL standard.
                      His AF points this year are better than our other forwards in Reid, Tippet and Towers. If Memrey is no good then it doesn't say much about them.

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                      Originally posted by waswan
                      I'm happy with Niasmith as our long term ruckman
                      Agree but in a trade for a 30yr old for 29YR old, I think it would be worth it........
                      Goldy can go forward[/QUOTE]

                      Goldstein would have to be a 1st ruck though. He's not a forward.

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                      • The Big Cat
                        On the veteran's list
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 2350

                        Originally posted by S.S. Bleeder
                        His AF points this year are better than our other forwards in Reid, Tippet and Towers. If Memrey is no good then it doesn't say much about them.
                        Membrey is their go to forward. So compare him to Buddy if you want a comparison. Besides the Saints draw has been super soft.
                        Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                        • Levii3
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Jun 2015
                          • 655

                          Sam Reid can't kick a set shot 30 out on a angle... anyway he's been offered a four year deal and Jones also has an offer in front of him so if they don't sign in the next two or three weeks they're gone.

                          Sam Reid contract: Sydney to give restricted free agent forward four-year deal amid interest from Collingwood, Richmond | Fox Sports

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                          • Velour&Ruffles
                            Regular in the Side
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 896

                            Originally posted by S.S. Bleeder
                            I wouldn't be against that in theory. I can think of a young player that he'd be keeping out of the team (ala Goodes with Membrey). Reiwoldt would be a good gap filler for that role and much better than Tippett. I don't think the he would do it however.
                            Give it up.
                            My opinion is objective truth in its purest form

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                            • 707
                              Veterans List
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 6204

                              Originally posted by liz
                              It's not a long list, though some have been selected outside the first round who are (or were) at worst competent. Some a fair bit better than just competent.

                              Fevola, Brown (Ben), Casboult, Pods, Mooney
                              Exactly my point, that's a very small list given that Fevola & Mooney were recruited 20 years ago. Makes keeping Reid all the more important and hoping that Nick Blakey nominates us next year.

                              Reiterating, you don't allow KPF to walk out of your club for the sake of a few dollars or an extra contract year. Glad to hear we're talking 4 years, means any other suitors must come up with at least that.

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                              • Maltopia
                                Senior Player
                                • Apr 2016
                                • 1556

                                How has Tahlia been doing? Does he look likely at all for a senior recall? Where would he be in the pecking order after say Aliir Aliir or Marsh?

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