2017 trading, drafting, list management

[111431]

I would say most likely is dusty to GWS. Kelly out of GWS.

There is something big brewing because GWS have quite a few youngsters waiting for contact.

Maybe a good time to swoop on someone like Hopper?

I think they may need to trim their list to the same size as all other clubs this yr

[Boddo]

Forget about Martin. Niall on AFL tonight has just said Sydney have categorically denied they have any interest in Martin.

"Salary cap full, put it to bed"

Also should say that he said GWS has said the same

[DA_Swan]

Forget about Martin. Niall on AFL tonight has just said Sydney have categorically denied they have any interest in Martin.

"Salary cap full, put it to bed"

Also should say that he said GWS has said the same

At the moment it is full - if we lose Reid , Jones and Tippett leaves and Mcveigh retires - who do we spend the money on ? cant be too many upgrades left on our list ?

[Boddo]

At the moment it is full - if we lose Reid , Jones and Tippett leaves and Mcveigh retires - who do we spend the money on ? cant be too many upgrades left on our list ?

It's not just the "salary cap is full" it's "Sydney have categorically denied any interest" if you have access to Foxtel it'll be replayed at 7pm est/5pm wst

[Meg]

I think they may need to trim their list to the same size as all other clubs this yr

The requirement for GWS to trim list to 44 was brought forward a year, so they are already the same as other clubs.

[Matty10]

It's not just the "salary cap is full" it's "Sydney have categorically denied any interest" if you have access to Foxtel it'll be replayed at 7pm est/5pm wst

Not that I have any particular interest in Martin (other than the fact that he is an excellent player), but those quotes come from Niall not from the Swans - I doubt they used those exact words.


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[AB Swannie]

We don't need Lynch but do need Dusty. All this fills column inches (he writes showing his age) for the press.

I disagree. Our midfield is looking pretty damned good for the next 5 years. However, as Buddy ages, our forward line becomes vulnerable (especially if Reid leaves). The Swans have shown that they love a good succession plan and Lynch is a good successor to Buddy.

[Boddo]

Not that I have any particular interest in Martin (other than the fact that he is an excellent player), but those quotes come from Niall not from the Swans - I doubt they used those exact words.


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Niall is not Barret or hutchy. He said he spoke to Sydney n those are the exact words he said Sydney said. Watch the interview if you can. One of the more respected journalists.

[YvonneH]

Every time I come to RWO and this thread I hope to see that Zac and Sam have re-signed. Not yet.

[Boddo]

Every time I come to RWO and this thread I hope to see that Zac and Sam have re-signed. Not yet.

Managers will hold out knowing that if Martin, Kelly etc re-sign their players are the next domino in line. Not saying they are gone but I can see why it's dragging out. Plus reports are their managers are on holidays. I honestly don't know why this holds up proceedings though cause it is 2017 n you have phone conferences, email, mobile phones n even FaceTime lol it's not 1979 ????????

[Blood Fever]

Niall is not Barret or hutchy. He said he spoke to Sydney n those are the exact words he said Sydney said. Watch the interview if you can. One of the more respected journalists.

Anyone on here could have gone on tv to say Swans weren't interested. Niall no genius. Fairy story to stir up Victorian supporters.

[Boddo]

Anyone on here could have gone on tv to say Swans weren't interested. Niall no genius. Fairy story to stir up Victorian supporters.

No he's not but I don't think anyone apart from him actually made the effort to contact the club to confirm or deny the rumours. No not anyone could have gone on tv to say what he said. Most likely no1 on this site could have gone on tv to dismiss that this fantasy story that started on bigfooty then progressed to radio then to tv was not true.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Niall is not Barret or hutchy. He said he spoke to Sydney n those are the exact words he said Sydney said. Watch the interview if you can. One of the more respected journalists.

I'd be extremely surprised if he came to us but by the same token I'd take any of the clubs comments on player trades with a grain of salt. It's like a club stating that they back the coach 100%. They also denied rumours about buddy prior to his recruitment.

[Blood Fever]

No he's not but I don't think anyone apart from him actually made the effort to contact the club to confirm or deny the rumours. No not anyone could have gone on tv to say what he said. Most likely no1 on this site could have gone on tv to dismiss that this fantasy story that started on bigfooty then progressed to radio then to tv was not true.

There are so many footy journos in Melbourne. It means that to justify their jobs they have to invent stories. Some journos are ethical but there is a lot of nonsense written and broadcast. Gullible public fall for it.

[Mug Punter]

I think they may need to trim their list to the same size as all other clubs this yr

My understanding is that effectively all concessions to GWS finished last year (some were phased out ahead of time) in light of their success last year and they run a normal size.

The GWS situation is interesting and it may well be the case that the AFL under Demetriou got their concessions almost spot on.

Many of us, and I was extremely vocal, thought that the AFL had generated a monster and that they would simply make a mockery of the comp for many years.

I don't think that's going to happen for the following reasons:

(a) Reality is hitting big time re their cap space. I know they probably are still benefitting from some frontloaded deals for the likes of Scully and Ward but they have a huge number of players that must be worth close to a million on the open market (Cameron, Patton, Shiel, Greene, Kelly, Cogniglio). I find it hard to believe that they will be able to keep more than three or four tops of these guys

(b) Their list is getting old - the players they really rely on in trouble will be the following ages by the end of season 2018 - Davis (28) Ward (28) Griffin (32) Deledio (31) Shaw (32) and Mumford (32)

(c) The draft gravy train is over - for all their picks they also had the following misses from the draft - Hoskin-Elliot (4) Tyson (3) Sumner (10) Adams (13) O'Rourke (2) Plowman (3) Jaksch (13) Boyd (1) Pickett (4) and Ahern (7) are all below par for the slot in the draft nowithstanding some are quite decent players. Their drafting was a turkey shoot - of last years crop Taranto looks good and the other kids will take time. There is absolutely no guarantee that what they get for Kelly they will be able to replace longer term via what they get from a trade

(d) Free Agency looms - enough said, especially when their older stars they recruited on overs because of their squad demographics start to retire at the same time.

(e) They will have to pay overs for players to stay there compared to what other clubs could probably keep them. The lack of interest in their academy will come back and bit them I believe.

and Finally

(f) Their culture sucks. A bunch of over paid Gen Y millionaires by the age of 21 who have had everything handed onto their plate their entire football life. Any club that has Greene, Shaw and Stevie J clearly doesn't care who they have on their list. In terms of preferred destinations I'd say they are right down in the bottom 2-3 clubs.

If I was the AFL I'd be concerned about GWS. They'll probably bounce back and they may still win the flag but if they do start to slide and heaven forbid even miss the finals watch they instant millionaires start to leave the sinking ship.

Far from being the start of a dynasty it is entirely possible that GWS may have peaked last year and missed their big chance of an AFL sponsored flag