2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[wolftone57]

Just flipping everything around and given I am sick and tired of talking JD [emoji23] and Essendon

If Reid Or Blakey wanted time return to Victoria

What would we accept as a fair deal for each player ?

What about Rampe? If a team was in a window of GF and desperately wanted a top line key defender such as Rampe - what would be fair in a trade ?

Blakey has lived most of his life in Sydney and before that Brisbane. His father played for Norf waaay back. Nick was born in Melbourne but the family. Oved to Brisbane when he was, two.

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[Cosmic Wizard]

We'll need more than three to fill the vacant spots on our lists.

If Bennell is doing a medical at Melbourne it would indicate we haven't guaranteed to draft him but may still be interested.

We may pick more, as we have a lot of delistings, retirements & trades.

Only one player so far trading in, Lewis Taylor, below is the list of player who have left.


Heath Grundy
Nick Smith
Jarrad McVeigh
Kieren Jack
James Rose
Durak Tucker
Toby Pink
Cody Hirst
Zak Jones
Darcy Cameron

Mind you, would love to see Thurlow and Menzel on the departed list.

Complete list cloggers who suck up money!

[707]

We know we've dropped 7 from the main list and added one but not knowing who may have been moved from the rookie list to the main list doesn't help us understand how many vacancies we have on each list, frustrating :-(

We have had 38 on the main list for a few seasons to manage the salary cap but had 39 this season, 39-7+1=33 so that's 5 we need to get back to 38. How many rookie upgrades?

[liz]

We may pick more, as we have a lot of delistings, retirements & trades.

Only one player so far trading in, Lewis Taylor, below is the list of player who have left.


Heath Grundy
Nick Smith
Jarrad McVeigh
Kieren Jack
James Rose
Durak Tucker
Toby Pink
Cody Hirst
Zak Jones
Darcy Cameron

Mind you, would love to see Thurlow and Menzel on the departed list.

Complete list cloggers who suck up money!

Can add Tippett to the list of outs, since he also took up a (rookie) spot last season.

[stevoswan]

Mind you, would love to see Thurlow and Menzel on the departed list.

Complete list cloggers who suck up money!

Don't like the Cats CW?

[bloodspirit]

A not particularly illuminating article about the non-trade of Riley Knight referencing Swans' interest in him and his meeting with Longmire: Crow stays in the nest after Sydney interest falls through - AFL.com.au. Most interesting bit is that it seems to suggest we didn't recruit him because we got Taylor and kept Papley so didn't need him.

[stevoswan]

Really?

The Joe Daniher Cup: Wantaway Don not waiting long to face Swans in 2020 - AFL.com.au

Two quotes of note:

"The Swans courted Daniher in the back half of 2019 but were unable to facilitate a trade with the Bombers to lure him out of Tullamarine."

Did we really? This Victorian based speculation seems to be accepted AFL fact now.....

"In round eight last year, the Swans escaped with a controversial five-point win over the Bombers. Co-captain Dane Rampe was fined post-match for climbing a goalpost in the dying stages.".....with yet another posting of the AFL tweet quoting the rule re: climbing the goalposts.

Yes, yet another official reminder to AFL fans as to why they should be negative towards the Swans.

[snajik]

Interesting too that his ongoing groin problems get a mention. You'd have to be a bit loopy to give up two first round picks and a star player for a bloke with ongoing groin problems you'd reckon. Said problems were barely an afterthought during trade week.

[bloodspirit]

Interesting article: Why a Swan's axing is about to become a major talking point - AFL.com.au. But it is unfortunate that we are, seemingly once again, we are kind of portrayed as the bad guys in a story which is slanted as bad news for potential draft hopefuls. Why didn't they focus on Deluca instead of Hirst? He was the #1 pick in the mid-season draft and was surely just as likely to be picked up in the ND.

Some further comment on the same issue and Cody Hirst's case in particular: Has this incident exposed the mid-season draft?. Less negative to the Swans.

[MattW]

Interesting too that his ongoing groin problems get a mention. You'd have to be a bit loopy to give up two first round picks and a star player for a bloke with ongoing groin problems you'd reckon. Said problems were barely an afterthought during trade week.

Given those groin problems, it seems kind of brave to schedule Essendon-Swans in round 2.

[liz]

Given those groin problems, it seems kind of brave to schedule Essendon-Swans in round 2.

Maybe not. He's more likely to be playing at the start of the season. By round five or six he could again be on indefinite rest.

[bloodspirit]

Another phantom draft: AFL Phantom Draft 2019: An early top 30. Josh Elliott has us taking Ash at 6 after GWS match our bid on Green.

There is some debate in the comments about whether Melbourne or Adelaide should trade their first pick to GWS and they are talking about GWS giving up much less to get it than we are. I think they'll be suprised how much GWS will be prepared to give to get a pick inside the bid for Green. Pick 6 and 2020 first rounder for pick 3 is definitely way overs but not impossible to envisage. And I think that would be an offer that would be hard for Melbourne (or any club) to refuse.

[barry]

Another phantom draft: AFL Phantom Draft 2019: An early top 30. Josh Elliott has us taking Ash at 6 after GWS match our bid on Green.

Like I said before, we get much better value trading pick 5 for pick 6 + something than we do by bidding on green, and GWS matching. (Which just makes our pick 5, pick 6 anyway)

[Markwebbos]

Another phantom draft: AFL Phantom Draft 2019: An early top 30. Josh Elliott has us taking Ash at 6 after GWS match our bid on Green.

There is some debate in the comments about whether Melbourne or Adelaide should trade their first pick to GWS and they are talking about GWS giving up much less to get it than we are. I think they'll be suprised how much GWS will be prepared to give to get a pick inside the bid for Green. Pick 6 and 2020 first rounder for pick 3 is definitely way overs but not impossible to envisage. And I think that would be an offer that would be hard for Melbourne (or any club) to refuse.

I think the logic of that could be flawed "Pick 6 – Sydney Swans – Lachie Ash. 186cm, 80kg. Sydney have taken a few shots at recruiting a half back in recent years with none of them really landing just yet. Ash, well known for his speed out of defence, could be their perfect option."

We've got a lot of running half back types waiting in the wings (admittedly not playing in the AFL). I'd rather get Serong, Young, Green or Kemp than Ash as feel we have lots of his type already. Although he may be a cut above those we do have.

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Another phantom draft: AFL Phantom Draft 2019: An early top 30. Josh Elliott has us taking Ash at 6 after GWS match our bid on Green.

There is some debate in the comments about whether Melbourne or Adelaide should trade their first pick to GWS and they are talking about GWS giving up much less to get it than we are. I think they'll be suprised how much GWS will be prepared to give to get a pick inside the bid for Green. Pick 6 and 2020 first rounder for pick 3 is definitely way overs but not impossible to envisage. And I think that would be an offer that would be hard for Melbourne (or any club) to refuse.

I like us picking up Cooper Stephens with pick 25

[Markwebbos]

Like I said before, we get much better value trading pick 5 for pick 6 + something than we do by bidding on green, and GWS matching. (Which just makes our pick 5, pick 6 anyway)

We'd potentially be giving them a hit at another first rounder before Green, which we wouldn't if we retained pick 5, and what would they offer us in return? Their next pick is 40, our fourth pick is 44. Unless they'd offer us a future something.