2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Blood Fever]

I think the logic of that could be flawed "Pick 6 – Sydney Swans – Lachie Ash. 186cm, 80kg. Sydney have taken a few shots at recruiting a half back in recent years with none of them really landing just yet. Ash, well known for his speed out of defence, could be their perfect option."

We've got a lot of running half back types waiting in the wings (admittedly not playing in the AFL). I'd rather get Serong, Young, Green or Kemp than Ash as feel we have lots of his type already. Although he may be a cut above those we do have.

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I like us picking up Cooper Stephens with pick 25

Josh Elliott another example of clueless Melbourne media re swans. We have half back options coming out our ears.

[dimelb]

Really?

The Joe Daniher Cup: Wantaway Don not waiting long to face Swans in 2020 - AFL.com.au

Two quotes of note:

"The Swans courted Daniher in the back half of 2019 but were unable to facilitate a trade with the Bombers to lure him out of Tullamarine."

Did we really? This Victorian based speculation seems to be accepted AFL fact now.....

"In round eight last year, the Swans escaped with a controversial five-point win over the Bombers. Co-captain Dane Rampe was fined post-match for climbing a goalpost in the dying stages.".....with yet another posting of the AFL tweet quoting the rule re: climbing the goalposts.

Yes, yet another official reminder to AFL fans as to why they should be negative towards the Swans.

Thanks for the link stevoswan - fatuous claptrap masquerading as journalism, especially our "inability" to get our man! More realistic comments pick out our ability to hang onto players we want to keep ...

[ugg]

Port don’t want to delist Sam Gray. I get the impression they want him to find a new club first. Sydney are now interested @7NewsMelbourne @triplemfooty

— Tom Browne (@TomBrowne7) October 30, 2019

[bloodspirit]

Like I said before, we get much better value trading pick 5 for pick 6 + something than we do by bidding on green, and GWS matching. (Which just makes our pick 5, pick 6 anyway)

I agree with you, barry. Ludwig first suggested this near the end of the trade period and I thought it was a good suggestion then. liz subsequently said it depends on whether we think they might take a player that we have our heart set on with their extra pick, which I thought was a good point too. And obviously the amount they are willing to give us to trade up also comes into the picture. I'd be happy with a future second rounder (provided it doesn't mean missing out on a player we have our hearts set on).

I'd also be pretty happy with a player like Schoenberg (?) or Cooper Stephens at 25. I'd be interested in Bergman if he slips that far. However, I entirely trust our recruiters to know who we want. They did great with Rowbottom at this pick last year.

ugg, very interesting news re Sam Gray, if there is any substance in it. Surprising. Would certainly explain the delisting of Hirst if it's true.

[707]

A not particularly illuminating article about the non-trade of Riley Knight referencing Swans' interest in him and his meeting with Longmire: Crow stays in the nest after Sydney interest falls through - AFL.com.au. Most interesting bit is that it seems to suggest we didn't recruit him because we got Taylor and kept Papley so didn't need him.

He's only fringe at the Crows, limited upside, he's a classic list clogger for mine

So we're linked to Sam Gray, he's free of course but do we need a 176cm buzzing/pressure forward/mid?

[Markwebbos]

I agree with you, barry. Ludwig first suggested this near the end of the trade period and I thought it was a good suggestion then. liz subsequently said it depends on whether we think they might take a player that we have our heart set on with their extra pick, which I thought was a good point too. And obviously the amount they are willing to give us to trade up also comes into the picture. I'd be happy with a future second rounder (provided it doesn't mean missing out on a player we have our hearts set on).

I don’t think it’s worth it for us.

[iigrover]

Swans have delisted Menzel and Jack Maibaum. Jack may continue to train with club with possibility of a deal as a rookie.

[Blood Fever]

Swans have delisted Menzel and Jack Maibaum. Jack may continue to train with club with possibility of a deal as a rookie.

Liked Menzel as a player but understand decision. Youth wins out.

[Aprilbr]

Swans have delisted Menzel and Jack Maibaum. Jack may continue to train with club with possibility of a deal as a rookie.

I can't say I'm surprised to read about Menzel. The pre-season surgery he had killed any chance he had of making a serious impression in 2019. His AFL career, brilliant at times, is probably now over. Maibaum was unlucky. It's a brutal business!

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[SeanM]

That surprises me because I thought we already had enough open lists spots.

[Markwebbos]

Sounds like the Sam Gray rumours might be true.

What does it do to our KPD stocks or is McCartin going to play back?

[i'm-uninformed2]

I think the signs on McCartin going back have been there for a bit.

Melican seemed to lose confidence towards the end of the year (though I think he can recover). And I hope Maibaum is re-rookied as everything suggested he was close to a game at the start of the year before the knee. But we're clearly down on a key defender, and McCartin plays exceptionally well when he does go back. Plus, there is a trend back towards sides playing at least two, and occasionally three taller forwards so Aliir and Rampe need the help.

I can also see a re-geared forward line next year, with Sinkers the big bodied, pack crasher if Naismith comes good in the ruck; Reid doing the thing he does (let's not start that argument); and hints over the off season they wanted Buddy playing higher and roaming to spare his body and use his foot skills. And Blakey spending more time on a wing.

Then, rotate Papley, Hayward, Ronke/Gray through as smaller players, as well as a resting mid like Parker or Heeney.

I know there are a few ifs and buts in that, but it seems to be roughly where we are heading.

[longmile]

Then, rotate Papley, Hayward, Ronke/Gray through as smaller players, as well as a resting mid like Parker or Heeney.

I like the thinking, esp as sinclair as a genuine forward/ruck relief.

Don't forget Taylor, much better than Ronke and Gray

[cherub]

So, Menzel delisted. Why draft him? Maibaum delisted but invited to train on. Rookie spot if we can't get something better?

[Auntie.Gerald]

www.adelaidenow.com.au has an article re sam Gray today