2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[mattybloods]

Our offer for Daniher supposedly included our first round pick for this year ... Dodged a huge bullet!

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[Cosmic Wizard]

Yes, I have lot of free time on my hand.

I have been through all the trade and future picks to correctly allocate trade spots. Or at least i hope i have.

North Melbourne look pretty good.


Indicative draft order after round 7.
Round One
1 Adelaide
2 Sydney Swans
3 North Melbourne
4 North Melbourne
5 Fremantle
6 Hawthorn
7 Western Bulldogs
8 Geelong Cats
9 Adelaide
10 Gold Coast
11 Geelong Cats
12 Carlton
13 St Kilda
14 Richmond
15 Collingwood
16 Essendon
17 Brisbane
18 Geelong Cats
19 Brisbane
Round Two
20 Adelaide
21 Sydney Swans
22 Hawthorn
23 Fremantle
24 Port Adelaide
25 Melbourne
26 Adelaide
27 West Coast
28 GWS Giants
29 Gold Coast
30 Carlton
31 Richmond
32 Collingwood
33 Port Adelaide
34 North Melbourne
35 Gold Coast
36 Geelong Cats
37 Port Adelaide
Round Three
38 Western Bulldogs
39 Brisbane
40 Collingwood
41 Melbourne
42 Adelaide
43 Hawthorn
44 Western Bulldogs
45 Geelong Cats
46 GWS Giants
47 Essendon
48 Carlton
49 Port Adelaide
50 Richmond
51 Adelaide
52 Hawthorn
53 Sydney Swans
54 Geelong Cats
55 Port Adelaide
Round Four
56 Sydney Swans
57 St Kilda
58 North Melbourne
59 North Melbourne
60 Melbourne
61 Hawthorn
62 Hawthorn
63 Essendon
64 Brisbane
65 Adelaide
66 Melbourne
67 Collingwood
68 Richmond
69 GWS Giants
70 Essendon
71 Gold Coast
72 Essendon
73 St Kilda
Round Five
74 Adelaide
75 Sydney Swans
76 North Melbourne
77 Melbourne
78 Brisbane
79 Hawthorn
80 Western Bulldogs
81 West Coast
82 GWS Giants
83 Gold Coast
84 Carlton
85 St Kilda
86 Richmond
87 Collingwood
88 Essendon
89 Brisbane
90 Geelong Cats
91 Port Adelaide

[Cosmic Wizard]

Is it just me, or is Charlie “aaamm” Gardiner one of the hardest people to listen to when he does a presser?

Mono-toned, speaks in cliches, gives very little info. Just doesn’t have the presence, projection, articulation or charisma of, say Horse or Harley.


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All part of the ruse to get him cheap

Gardiner is a big a dud as Thurlow.

Why our board thought a corporate lawyer could be a team manager is another very poor decision.

[Blood Fever]

Gardiner is a big a dud as Thurlow.

Why our board thought a corporate lawyer could be a team manager is another very poor decision.

Where's your evidence he is a dud? None of us have any idea how he performs his job day to day. Miniscule part of his job is involved in speaking on videos.

[Mr Magoo]

Yes, I have lot of free time on my hand.

I have been through all the trade and future picks to correctly allocate trade spots. Or at least i hope i have.

North Melbourne look pretty good.


Indicative draft order after round 7.
Round One
1 Adelaide
2 Sydney Swans
3 North Melbourne
4 North Melbourne
5 Fremantle
6 Hawthorn
7 Western Bulldogs
8 Geelong Cats
9 Adelaide
10 Gold Coast
11 Geelong Cats
12 Carlton
13 St Kilda
14 Richmond
15 Collingwood
16 Essendon
17 Brisbane
18 Geelong Cats
19 Brisbane
Round Two
20 Adelaide
21 Sydney Swans
22 Hawthorn
23 Fremantle
24 Port Adelaide
25 Melbourne
26 Adelaide
27 West Coast
28 GWS Giants
29 Gold Coast
30 Carlton
31 Richmond
32 Collingwood
33 Port Adelaide
34 North Melbourne
35 Gold Coast
36 Geelong Cats
37 Port Adelaide
Round Three
38 Western Bulldogs
39 Brisbane
40 Collingwood
41 Melbourne
42 Adelaide
43 Hawthorn
44 Western Bulldogs
45 Geelong Cats
46 GWS Giants
47 Essendon
48 Carlton
49 Port Adelaide
50 Richmond
51 Adelaide
52 Hawthorn
53 Sydney Swans
54 Geelong Cats
55 Port Adelaide
Round Four
56 Sydney Swans
57 St Kilda
58 North Melbourne
59 North Melbourne
60 Melbourne
61 Hawthorn
62 Hawthorn
63 Essendon
64 Brisbane
65 Adelaide
66 Melbourne
67 Collingwood
68 Richmond
69 GWS Giants
70 Essendon
71 Gold Coast
72 Essendon
73 St Kilda
Round Five
74 Adelaide
75 Sydney Swans
76 North Melbourne
77 Melbourne
78 Brisbane
79 Hawthorn
80 Western Bulldogs
81 West Coast
82 GWS Giants
83 Gold Coast
84 Carlton
85 St Kilda
86 Richmond
87 Collingwood
88 Essendon
89 Brisbane
90 Geelong Cats
91 Port Adelaide

So for the people that understand the points system for academy picks, if you are to take the draft scenario above and then do what people here have been saying (ie take a "gun" with our pick two ), what happens if then say one of the teams from say 3-8 bids on Campbell . Would we have enough points in our remaining picks to match that bid ?

Assume then after matching that bid , someone else makes a bid for Gulden at say pick 30. Do we then have any ability to match that ?

It seems from what I can see that unless we were seeking to trade out future draft picks , we would be struggling to match for campbell and gulden in that scenario.

[Mountain Man]

First year for ages (ever?) that GWS do not have a 1st round pick

[Cosmic Wizard]

First year for ages (ever?) that GWS do not have a 1st round pick

Yes, they traded this year first round pick so they could move up and get a pick before Green; they got Ash from memory.

Pretty sweet deal and players.

[Cosmic Wizard]

So for the people that understand the points system for academy picks, if you are to take the draft scenario above and then do what people here have been saying (ie take a "gun" with our pick two ), what happens if then say one of the teams from say 3-8 bids on Campbell . Would we have enough points in our remaining picks to match that bid ?

Assume then after matching that bid , someone else makes a bid for Gulden at say pick 30. Do we then have any ability to match that ?

It seems from what I can see that unless we were seeking to trade out future draft picks , we would be struggling to match for Campbell and gulden in that scenario.

Here we go:

CLUB
Adelaide 6,854
North Melbourne 5,138
Geelong Cats 4,934
Sydney Swans 3,822
Hawthorn 3,478
Fremantle 2,693
Gold Coast 2,599
Brisbane 2,520
Western Bulldogs 2,471
Port Adelaide 2,325
Carlton 2,199
Collingwood 2,194
Richmond 2,099
Essendon 1,534
Melbourne 1,394
St Kilda 1,394
GWS Giants 1,057
West Coast 703


Round One Points
1 Adelaide 3000
2 Sydney Swans 2517
3 North Melbourne 2234
4 North Melbourne 2034
5 Fremantle 1878
6 Hawthorn 1751
7 Western Bulldogs 1644
8 Geelong Cats 1551
9 Adelaide 1469
10 Gold Coast 1395
11 Geelong Cats 1329
12 Carlton 1268
13 St Kilda 1212
14 Richmond 1161
15 Collingwood 1112
16 Essendon 1067
17 Brisbane 1025
18 Geelong Cats 985
19 Brisbane 948
Round Two
20 Adelaide 912
21 Sydney Swans 878
22 Hawthorn 845
23 Fremantle 815
24 Port Adelaide 785
25 Melbourne 756
26 Adelaide 729
27 West Coast 703
28 GWS Giants 677
29 Gold Coast 653
30 Carlton 629
31 Richmond 606
32 Collingwood 584
33 Port Adelaide 563
34 North Melbourne 542
35 Gold Coast 522
36 Geelong Cats 502
37 Port Adelaide 483
Round Three
38 Western Bulldogs 465
39 Brisbane 446
40 Collingwood 429
41 Melbourne 412
42 Adelaide 395
43 Hawthorn 378
44 Western Bulldogs 362
45 Geelong Cats 347
46 GWS Giants 331
47 Essendon 316
48 Carlton 302
49 Port Adelaide 287
50 Richmond 273
51 Adelaide 259
52 Hawthorn 246
53 Sydney Swans 233
54 Geelong Cats 220
55 Port Adelaide 207
Round Four
56 Sydney Swans 194
57 St Kilda 182
58 North Melbourne 170
59 North Melbourne 158
60 Melbourne 146
61 Hawthorn 135
62 Hawthorn 123
63 Essendon 112
64 Brisbane 101
65 Adelaide 90
66 Melbourne 80
67 Collingwood 69
68 Richmond 59
69 GWS Giants 49
70 Essendon 39
71 Gold Coast 29
72 Essendon 19
73 St Kilda 9

[Cosmic Wizard]

So for the people that understand the points system for academy picks, if you are to take the draft scenario above and then do what people here have been saying (ie take a "gun" with our pick two ), what happens if then say one of the teams from say 3-8 bids on Campbell . Would we have enough points in our remaining picks to match that bid ?

Assume then after matching that bid , someone else makes a bid for Gulden at say pick 30. Do we then have any ability to match that ?

It seems from what I can see that unless we were seeking to trade out future draft picks , we would be struggling to match for campbell and gulden in that scenario.

Bid 30 is 629 points, so we would go into deficit for next year, if we had use our picks one and two on other players.

But i think the plan is to use our first pick on another midfielder, and then wait for a bid for Campbell.

At the moment our three other picks, 21, 53 & 56 will add up 1305.

So if a bid for Campbell comes after pick 11 we could cover Campbell but not Gulden.

Or course this will depend on trading and teams winning or losing games, and our willingness to go into deficit.

[Mr Magoo]

So if we take another with Pick 2 , on current points we could only match Campbell if he was taken after pick 11 and it would seem we were no chance of Gulden . Suggests they will just take these two unless a good deal can be done for Papley with picks to add more points .

How much deficit can you go into?

[111431]

Bid 30 is 629 points, so we would go into deficit for next year, if we had use our picks one and two on other players.

But i think the plan is to use our first pick on another midfielder, and then wait for a bid for Campbell.

At the moment our three other picks, 21, 53 & 56 will add up 1305.

So if a bid for Campbell comes after pick 11 we could cover Campbell but not Gulden.

Or course this will depend on trading and teams winning or losing games, and our willingness to go into deficit.

did Adelaide and Kangas pick up some picks for this year in last year's trade?

[Cosmic Wizard]

So if we take another with Pick 2 , on current points we could only match Campbell if he was taken after pick 11 and it would seem we were no chance of Gulden . Suggests they will just take these two unless a good deal can be done for Papley with picks to add more points .

How much deficit can you go into?

From my reading of the situation, the deficit limit is set at 1723 points (the equivalent of the first four picks assigned to the premier side each year, 18, 36, 54 and 72).

I didn't include the discount of 20% in my figures, sorry.

But even then we would need a bid after pick seven to not use up all our 1305 from our other picks.

But remember, we only get a 20% discount when matching bids. We don't get that discount when using own selections.


Round One 20% discount
1 Adelaide 2400
2 Sydney Swans 2014
3 North Melbourne 1787
4 North Melbourne 1627
5 Fremantle 1502
6 Hawthorn 1401
7 Western Bulldogs 1315
8 Geelong Cats 1241
9 Adelaide 1175
10 Gold Coast 1116
11 Geelong Cats 1063
12 Carlton 1014
13 St Kilda 970
14 Richmond 929
15 Collingwood 890
16 Essendon 854
17 Brisbane 820
18 Geelong Cats 788
19 Brisbane 758

[Ludwig]

1. I liked Charlie Gardiner as a player, but seeing him now as footy manager, I would never expect that he had previously played football. I don't know why the footy manager has to take up some of the media roles that they do at the Swans. We have media people at the Swans; why don't they do these video reports? I don't think his poor on camera performances reflect Charlie's competency as a football manager. I have no idea if he's any good at his job as a manager.
2. I usually love going through trade and draft strategies, but with so much hanging in the air this year, like list size and TPP adjustments, as well as the usual pick swaps in trade period, I don't think we can take much from where things stand now with our projected draft picks, although we should get a top 10 and even a top 5 looks likely. That should get us a pick before Campbell, so we could walk away with some good talent this year. I also thought that we might swap our first rounder this year for one in 2021, depending on the circumstances. A Papley trade is still looming, which should draw a first rounder, but I truly hope this doesn't come to pass.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Our offer for Daniher supposedly included our first round pick for this year ... Dodged a huge bullet!

I'd hate to think what the Don's actually wanted.

Even our offer for Daniher makes me wonder whether the Swans really believe that they absolutely must have a high profile key forward/Marketing icon. Do we?

[707]

We have the points to match a bid from pick 7 onwards without deficit from 2021.

The deficit is taken from your same round pick next year so if Gulden is bid on after pick 19, we'll get the 20% discount and it will be taken off our 2021 second rounder or 2021 Third rounder if Gulden is bid on after pick 37.

There's unlikely to be much, if any, U18s in Victoria but U18 kids are showing their wares in the various levels of SANFL & WAFL so wouldn't be surprised if there's a number of those rise up the draft board that potentially push back a bid for Campbell.

Bulldogs NGA Ugle-Hagan is likely to be the number 1 pick and Crows won't pass up the opportunity to take local boy Tilthorpe, we'll take the best mid so that's three picks down, reckon Campbell will safely get past pick 7. Can't see us not taking Gulden as well regardless of having to probably use 2021 points, we know him better than any potential second or third rounder next year.

Although we don't want to think about it, if Papley gets traded we'll have another good first rounder. As always, will be an interesting trade and draft period in December or January or whenever it is :-)