2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[mcs]

This is what the Hun says about our season and list management needs:

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The main issue identified for the rebuilding Swans is that they need to address midfield depth, with Champion Data saying Sydney found it hard to generate a forward half game when its midfield was getting badly beaten... Need to find depth to assist Kennedy and Parker – Rowbottom huge find

Champion data says we need: Inside midfielder, Classy midfielder, Key forward

I think Champion Data is spot on. I think we are good for classy midfielder from our academy picks (both have great potential), and hopefully we roll with the key forward element with our first draft pick (or go for a KPD and make a call to make McCartin a forward). Inside midfielder may have to wait a bit longer - and frankly I actually think is the one we could sit on a bit and just wait, either for next years draft, or for a couple of years where we can look seriously at the free agent market again when Bud's big contract ends.

[Melbourne_Blood]

This is what the Hun says about our season and list management needs:

Category: | Herald Sun

The main issue identified for the rebuilding Swans is that they need to address midfield depth, with Champion Data saying Sydney found it hard to generate a forward half game when its midfield was getting badly beaten... Need to find depth to assist Kennedy and Parker – Rowbottom huge find

Champion data says we need: Inside midfielder, Classy midfielder, Key forward

I would add a Ruckman to that, but hard to argue with the rest. We may have the classy midfielder on our list already ( Stephens ) or about to be ( Campbell ) but I think the inside mid still needs to be addressed. Rowbottom is part of the solution there but isn’t close to being the complete answer. He Needs help to replace Joey who is in his twilight . Parker still a champion but will need a replacement ready to take over in next 2 years or so when his output in the middle likely declines. There is some trade options out there who could potentially help fill that void (Will Brodie, Constable etc. ). Or we could address it with pick 3.

Then there’s the KPF issue, but I think the midfield is more pressing. We’ve won a flag without a dominant key forward before ( 2012). I don’t think any team has done it without a great midfield though.

[MightyBloods]

This is what the Hun says about our season and list management needs:

Category: | Herald Sun

The main issue identified for the rebuilding Swans is that they need to address midfield depth, with Champion Data saying Sydney found it hard to generate a forward half game when its midfield was getting badly beaten... Need to find depth to assist Kennedy and Parker – Rowbottom huge find

Champion data says we need: Inside midfielder, Classy midfielder, Key forward

Be careful of stats. According to Champion Data a ruckman is not a need. Really?!

[mcs]

Not a myth, at the list's peak, based on draft points, they had a list worth almost twice as much as any other list. I know that's not going to be to everyone's liking of how to rate a list, but probably the only numeric way.

At their peak, up to half their NEAFL side was made up with first rounders, including top tens. I remember there being discussion on this board about it.

Absolutely - at their peak, they were stacked with enough talent for about 2.5 afl lists. But that has filtered off somewhat, as it always was going to.

[Bloody Hell]

Inside midfielder may have to wait a bit longer - and frankly I actually think is the one we could sit on a bit and just wait, either for next years draft, or for a couple of years where we can look seriously at the free agent market again when Bud's big contract ends.

There are 2 young inside mids that I would like to get:

Riley Collier-Dawkins from Richmond and Tom Green from GWS - love to get Tom Green, he's exactly what we need and there's a fair bit of midfield depth at GWS. He was taken at #10, in the same draft GWS had #4. They have too many good midfielders.

They're both behind a pack at their clubs. Hopefully we can do a Kennedy and pry them out.

[mcs]

There are 2 young inside mids that I would like to get:

Riley Collier-Dawkins from Richmond and Tom Green from GWS - love to get Tom Green, he's exactly what we need and there's a fair bit of midfield depth at GWS. He was taken at #10, in the same draft GWS had #4. They have too many good midfielders.

They're both behind a pack at their clubs. Hopefully we can do a Kennedy and pry them out.

Would love green, and Collier-Dawkins looks a decent player to say the least. I think trading for a decent inside mid is easier then other positions potentially - there are always good players that get caught up behind others, as you've identified. I'd be happy with either of them to be honest.

[AB Swannie]

Forgotten player alert ???? - Chad Warner, pick 39 in 2019 draft. Strong bodied, inside mid. Due to zero NEAFL has been given no chance to show wares.

[dejavoodoo44]

Forgotten player alert ???? - Chad Warner, pick 39 in 2019 draft. Strong bodied, inside mid. Due to zero NEAFL has been given no chance to show wares.

Yes, I was just going to mention him.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Forgotten player alert [emoji599] - Chad Warner, pick 39 in 2019 draft. Strong bodied, inside mid. Due to zero NEAFL has been given no chance to show wares.

He’s one we’ll have to wait and see on though. As you say we haven’t seen enough to say he will or won’t make it at the level.


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[Mark26]

I'd be more than happy with exchanging our pick 3 for Green, a future 2nd rounder for Preuss and picking up both academy lads this year. I doubt that will happen, but I sure think we could do with those players moving into next year.

[AB Swannie]

He’s one we’ll have to wait and see on though. As you say we haven’t seen enough to say he will or won’t make it at the level.


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True but I am also willing to trust KB and Dalrymple here and see how it plays out before trading in another young unknown. Remember, they traded up with a live trade on the night to nab Warner so they must’ve really liked what they saw in his junior years and there was nothing to suggest that he wouldn’t succeed from the little we saw last year.

How many specialist inside mids play in a team? Three or four? Too many and you become too slow. JPK, Parker, Rowbottom, Hewitt, Warner form a decent nucleus of specialist inside mids. Spells from Heeney, Papley, possibly Gulden and we have enough. Injury depth from Clarke and Gray. Dawson and Mills can go in too.

All I’m saying is that if we trade in another specialist inside mid then we have almost already given up on Warner.

[Southern Swan15]

My take on GWS is there a full of gifted kids who never had to fight for a spot. Never had to do the 1%ers to ensure a game next week in the juniors. Come to AFL you need the grunts to do the small things aka LRT... when the heat is on in finals no giant ever looked like they wanted to do the hard stuff.

Absolutely - at their peak, they were stacked with enough talent for about 2.5 afl lists. But that has filtered off somewhat, as it always was going to.

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[waswan]

Pick 3 for anything but an All Australian is Overs...... granted id like Tom Green too but as a straight swap its overs

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You have to ask what are we getting with Tom that we couldnt get with a Top mid this year.....
4 or 5 games experience, no thanks

[barry]

My take on GWS is there a full of gifted kids who never had to fight for a spot. Never had to do the 1%ers to ensure a game next week in the juniors. Come to AFL you need the grunts to do the small things aka LRT... when the heat is on in finals no giant ever looked like they wanted to do the hard stuff.

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I think the 2019 finals series showed they were more than capable of the hard stuff. The just ran out of puff by the grand final, but prior to that, were serving it up big time.

But I think that the post earlier about their workmen getting poached all the time is quite insightful.

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Back on drafting, have we ever been able to draft a real elite player (multiple all Australian, award winner) since Goodes ?

[0918330512]

Back on drafting, have we ever been able to draft a real elite player (multiple all Australian, award winner) since Goodes ?

That might depend on how you define award winner.

We drafted 3xAA, 1xAFLCA POTY, 1xRon Evans Medalist, 2x22U22, ANZAC Medalist in Hanners

Drafted 2xAA, 2xPeter Crimmins medalist, 1xLou Richards Medalist, Brownlow Tom Mitchell