2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[AB Swannie]

It is really hard to know how much Covid has hurt players like Stephens and Gould. Stephens looked like he was going to be super towards the end of 2019 especially in that last game against Geelong. He just looked nervous when he played this year which was totally opposite to the other young players who were brave and confident with their run and ball use. I'd really like to hold onto him so he can have a full pre-season (which he didn't have last year) and a chance to play consistent games learning the system and some confidence. He's super talented and, for me, it's too early to cut the cord.

[barry]

If I'm reading this right, our 2nd round pick will end up being around 32nd pick, and if we receive a 2nd round compo for Hewett, then we get pick 33.
Actually sounds fair value.

[Nico]

Only at the minimum price. Has not played like a first rounder. He can run but so could Jack Hiscox and I don't think he's looking much better.

That might already be the problem. He wants more than the minimum and I wouldn't blame him for rejecting the minimum. If his manager is doing his job and has made the calls, then Dylan would already know where he stands. I expect he will leave, but it might just be a case of massaging the cap to fit him in based on other delistings.

[i'm-uninformed2]

It is really hard to know how much Covid has hurt players like Stephens and Gould. Stephens looked like he was going to be super towards the end of 2019 especially in that last game against Geelong. He just looked nervous when he played this year which was totally opposite to the other young players who were brave and confident with their run and ball use. I'd really like to hold onto him so he can have a full pre-season (which he didn't have last year) and a chance to play consistent games learning the system and some confidence. He's super talented and, for me, it's too early to cut the cord.

Hard agree. There will be some players (like Gould) where the coaches will need to apply their instincts to work out whether COVID affected their development.

Not Stephens, who burned it up whenever he was back at VFL/scratch match level, but froze in the seniors. But based on what we saw last year, if he can get his head right, he could be as good as any of our youngsters. JMac is the clubhouse leader of our young brigade, and seems to play with absolute confidence. So too Errol. If they can unlock that in Dylan, look out.

[Nico]

I wonder if the reduction in interchange numbers impact on some players. Dylan seemed to only get around 60% game time. If he is deemed say no.22 in ranking on game day it makes sense to give more influential players more game time.

[111431]

It is really hard to know how much Covid has hurt players like Stephens and Gould. Stephens looked like he was going to be super towards the end of 2019 especially in that last game against Geelong. He just looked nervous when he played this year which was totally opposite to the other young players who were brave and confident with their run and ball use. I'd really like to hold onto him so he can have a full pre-season (which he didn't have last year) and a chance to play consistent games learning the system and some confidence. He's super talented and, for me, it's too early to cut the cord.

Agree 100% - let him build confidence and strength

[Markwebbos]

I wonder if the rapid progress of others has had a negative impact on Stephens? It's almost as if others have taken what could have been his spot.

Matt Rendell suggested they offer us pick 23 for him... which would be unders for his potential, but not unreasonable for what he's delivered so far.

I think my heart wants us to keep him and for a minimally covid affected 2022 season to allow him to blossom. Ditto Gould and even Ling. I suspect Ling won't be at the Swans in 2022.

[mcs]

I wonder if the rapid progress of others has had a negative impact on Stephens? It's almost as if others have taken what could have been his spot.

Matt Rendell suggested they offer us pick 23 for him... which would be unders for his potential, but not unreasonable for what he's delivered so far.

I think my heart wants us to keep him and for a minimally covid affected 2022 season to allow him to blossom. Ditto Gould and even Ling. I suspect Ling won't be at the Swans in 2022.

I'm happy to see Gould and Stephens continue and have more time to develop - just something approaching a normal season for reserves football would be a big help. I think Ling will sadly be on the chopping board though - can not see the club persevering any longer sadly.

Pick 23 for Stephens would be a reasonable return all things considered. But I hope we can convince him to stay and fight for a place.

[barry]

I'm happy to see Gould and Stephens continue and have more time to develop - just something approaching a normal season for reserves football would be a big help. I think Ling will sadly be on the chopping board though - can not see the club persevering any longer sadly.

Good point. Maybe the disruption of covid has made things too difficult for some players, and they will only thrive once things return to normal. ie. Maybe we are too quick to judge Stephens.
If this logic holds, maybe we can try and get some similar underperforming early draft picks from other clubs, and hope that the underperforming was because of covid.

Pick 23 for Stephens would be a reasonable return all things considered. But I hope we can convince him to stay and fight for a place.

I'd keep him if pick 23 was offered.

[TheBloods]

I wonder if the rapid progress of others has had a negative impact on Stephens? It's almost as if others have taken what could have been his spot.

You wonder ? Mate its obvious that others have taken his spot . Jmac and Gulden on a wing and Chad inside have all blown straight past him . Still think theres something there with Stephens and needs time , would play him inside next year

[wolftone57]

Of those, I would not delist Brand. I think he's had a tough run with injuries but has shown enough to justify persevering. He's a 198 cm defender - we are not blessed with a multitude of them. Agree re Stephens - should be able to get some trade value for him.

Brands as the only one I could see value in keeping. We have plenty of forward/2nd rucks. We do not have a plethora of tall defenders. O'Connor looks, as though he is going to be a very good player. But Brand has the experience. The only problem with him is he doesn't make good decisions.

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[wolftone57]

Signing Parks. Keeping Dawson, and losing Hewett sounds like the best case scenario now.

What do you think Hewett is worth. a mid 2nd round pick ? (~ pick 30 )

I do not want to lose Hewee either. He is a great player. I don't know why he is undervalued.

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[Ralph Dawg]

Hard agree. There will be some players (like Gould) where the coaches will need to apply their instincts to work out whether COVID affected their development.

Not Stephens, who burned it up whenever he was back at VFL/scratch match level, but froze in the seniors. But based on what we saw last year, if he can get his head right, he could be as good as any of our youngsters. JMac is the clubhouse leader of our young brigade, and seems to play with absolute confidence. So too Errol. If they can unlock that in Dylan, look out.

I would respectfully disagree about Dyl burning it up in reserves, at least in the games I viewed (all VFL, obviously saw none of scratchies). At VFL level, again looked tentative, overshadowed by Squizzy, Gray, Clarke and COR (played a bit of midfield at VFL level). I guess that's why I'm not optimistic on him - looks to lack ticker. If we could get a first rounder back, I'd jump at the opportunity.

[707]

If I'm reading this right, our 2nd round pick will end up being around 32nd pick, and if we receive a 2nd round compo for Hewett, then we get pick 33.
Actually sounds fair value.

Not quite correct. For it to be after our second rounder, Hewett's contract at his new club would need to be 3 x $600k for example see Brad Crouch last year, he's not getting that offered in today's tight salary cap environment. A pick in the 40's would be the best we're likely to see

[i'm-uninformed2]

I would respectfully disagree about Dyl burning it up in reserves, at least in the games I viewed (all VFL, obviously saw none of scratchies). At VFL level, again looked tentative, overshadowed by Squizzy, Gray, Clarke and COR (played a bit of midfield at VFL level). I guess that's why I'm not optimistic on him - looks to lack ticker. If we could get a first rounder back, I'd jump at the opportunity.

And to be fair, I wasn't witness to his reserves game, but am going on the reporting and results of it. Which was: he consistently racked up big numbers, and the coaches kept giving him senior chances over some of the others named. I agree he's got to get better. I just think, based on what we saw last year when he did play for patches with flair and confidence and ticker, that there's something serious there to work with.