2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Aprilbr]

Matt Rendell, in his recent list analysis of the Swans in the Herald Sun, argued that Dawson was worth a second round pick and Stephens a first round pick. I found that to be a very surprising comment. I would have thought that its more likely to be the other way round? In fact, given our weak bargaining position for Stephens and the possibility he is interested in going to a low team like the Pies we may get very little for him.

[Steve]

Its good to read some good news today about Wicks and McLean after the shock of Dawson. The Herald Sun also suggesting with the money saved on Dawson that the Swans could look at available players elsewhere. Personally, I would use it on re-signing our emerging talent coming out of contract this/next year.

It would make sense that our offers to Parker, Dawson etc included consideration for those coming out of contract in the near future. In fact you would think that new deals for Campbell, Gulden, McDonald etc may even be done over the summer. So when Dawson says he's going, that money becomes unexpectedly available, and we're comfortable we've set aside enough to manage future contracts.

Dawson going does give us some options - go out and if any quality players are available, but if that doesn't work out, look at a couple of 21-25 y/o's who fit a need who are seeking an opportunity, and then if all that fails, keep guys like Reid and Sinclair for another year as insurance/depth.

[Markwebbos]

Matt Rendell, in his recent list analysis of the Swans in the Herald Sun, argued that Dawson was worth a second round pick and Stephens a first round pick. I found that to be a very surprising comment. I would have thought that its more likely to be the other way round? In fact, given our weak bargaining position for Stephens and the possibility he is interested in going to a low team like the Pies we may get very little for him.

I found Rendell's assessment of the two players trade value extremely strange too. His valuation's seem entirely based on their draft position rather than their performance. If we could get pick 16 for Stephens as he suggests, I'd be tempted, but I don't think we will, so we should keep him.

[cherub]

Matt Rendell, in his recent list analysis of the Swans in the Herald Sun, argued that Dawson was worth a second round pick and Stephens a first round pick. I found that to be a very surprising comment. I would have thought that its more likely to be the other way round? In fact, given our weak bargaining position for Stephens and the possibility he is interested in going to a low team like the Pies we may get very little for him.

I think that says more about Matt Rendell than our players. He's made some very dubious decisions in the past.

[bloodspirit]

How the Sydney Swans win the Jordan Dawson trade (theinnersanctum.com.au)

There is a curious statement halfway through that Dawson is an unrestricted free agent but I think that's just wrong. Fortunately, it doesn't seem to affect the rest of their analysis. Doesn't really reach many conclusions except to say that either pick 16 or 23 is likely to be the centrepiece of the trade depending on whether he goes to Port or Adelaide and that we just have to make the most of it.

[royboy42]

Matt Rendell, in his recent list analysis of the Swans in the Herald Sun, argued that Dawson was worth a second round pick and Stephens a first round pick. I found that to be a very surprising comment. I would have thought that its more likely to be the other way round? In fact, given our weak bargaining position for Stephens and the possibility he is interested in going to a low team like the Pies we may get very little for him.

Rendell has been regarded for some time as a bit of a guru on recruitment in Vic. At least by Victorians.

But this comment by him shows just how little is known about interstate teams in Vic.

Whether it's a lack of research, or simply a lack of curiosity and interest, it devalues so much of the commentary and analysis on interstate teams in Melbourne.

Of course, most AFL media is Vic based and they naturally defer to the Vic readers and viewers.

Not Vic bashing here, but the Vic centric views there are frustrating at best.

Wish I had the solution rather than just whinging about the problem.

[KTigers]

I found Rendell's assessment of the two players trade value extremely strange too. His valuation's seem entirely based on their draft position rather than their performance. If we could get pick 16 for Stephens as he suggests, I'd be tempted, but I don't think we will, so we should keep him.

It's like saying you could get $2M for a $1M house. Oh well, you go do it then.

[Markwebbos]

It's like saying you could get $2M for a $1M house. Oh well, you go do it then.

Are you implying Stephens is worth something more like pick 32?

[Jimitron5000]

I reckon Stephens is absolutely worth persisting with. Not everyone (even high draft picks) comes into the AFL as a fully formed player, ready to dominate from day 1. He has plenty of tools to work with and with the right attitude and coaching he will make a fine player. Hopefully it is with the Swans.

[MattW]

Matt Rendell, in his recent list analysis of the Swans in the Herald Sun, argued that Dawson was worth a second round pick and Stephens a first round pick. I found that to be a very surprising comment. I would have thought that its more likely to be the other way round? In fact, given our weak bargaining position for Stephens and the possibility he is interested in going to a low team like the Pies we may get very little for him.

Rendell's was not an informed comment.

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I reckon Stephens is absolutely worth persisting with. Not everyone (even high draft picks) comes into the AFL as a fully formed player, ready to dominate from day 1. He has plenty of tools to work with and with the right attitude and coaching he will make a fine player. Hopefully it is with the Swans.

It would be an impressive statement of intent on his part to re-sign.

[111431]

Rendell's was not an informed comment.

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It would be an impressive statement of intent on his part to re-sign.

Why wouldn’t he want to re-sign? He’s had a reasonable taste of it in his first two years, Dawson has just opened up a spot for him and we appear to be on a good trajectory. He would know he needs to put on some muscle but with that and more confidence in his ability to be out there, he should sign in a heartbeat!

[barry]

Says Carlton offering George $450k a year for four years. I like George, but that’s slight overs for me.

Who at Carlton is doing that. They dont have a coach or a president at the moment.
And I thought Carlton had cap problems after signing other high priced journeymen over the past couple of years.

[longmile]

Seriously dont understand how Carlton have any cap space

[Jimitron5000]

Just reading the Rendell article - some good positive things there. He does, however, mention Daniel Talia as a potential key defender. For key defenders I reckon one of a pair of delisted free agents would be the go: Paddy McCartin or Blake Schlensog. Both offer more upside and would come cheaper than Talia allowing us to spend money elsewhere.

[Ludwig]

Seriously dont understand how Carlton have any cap space

The AFL solution for Carlton violating the salary cap was to eliminate the salary cap for Carlton, hence they can't violate it again. Makes sense, in terms of AFL logic. They took away their COLA as well. They've been severely punished, especially for a VFL club.

For key defenders I reckon one of a pair of delisted free agents would be the go: Paddy McCartin or Blake Schlensog. Both offer more upside and would come cheaper than Talia allowing us to spend money elsewhere.

Very much agree. Maybe take both.