2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[tlock]

Are the Swans getting fleeced by Port Adelaide? Port wants a first rounder for Ladhams and last year they gave us a bag of chips for Aliir.

[AppleCore]

the problem i suspect maybe each of us is encountering is defining the word "fair".

Fair for Adelaide is get the best deal they can and given that Dawso has nominated Adelaide already...........

Adelaide get to define "fair" and we have less say in this negotiation than we probably would hope for.

Dawso is definitely a top 10 pick in my humble opinion but that doesnt mean we can achieve that because the rules and the go hime factor go against us achieving a top10 pick me thinks

It is a shame we dont have a little more media support though.........this is not just about Dawso.........this is about Sydney being very vulnerable to go home players and it compromises who we draft because of this trend that could really start to emerge for us

I don't think defining "fair" is an issue here, because most of us intuitively understand that what Adelaide is proposing is anything but fair. I am sure that Adelaide understand this too. In recent years, Adelaide have made a series of disastrous trade decisions, possibly they figure that putting one over the Swans and stealing Dawson will in some way make up for some of their incompetence and improve their standing in the eyes of their supporters.
I appreciate that such dealings can never be entirely "fair", largely because someone like Dawson is essentially irreplaceable. I think "fair" should be a draft pick that gives us a "reasonable" chance of selecting someone who will become a regular team member.
I am glad that you appreciate that there is a much bigger issue at play here for the Swans.

[AppleCore]

Roadrunner, surely you are aware that the AFL is a heavily controlled system with all sorts of equalisation measures in place like the draft, salary cap, soft cap etc. I'm not going to say that's socialism, but its certainly not a capitalist free market. And its to the benefit of the game. Or would you rather we were like the Premier League where teams can buy success?

You can't keep politics out of sport, sport is inherently political. What you are saying to Ludwig is keep your politics out of sport.

I work in an organisation (the ABC) where everyone in the same band is paid the same amount (based on a combination of age, experience, ability etc). I think its way fairer than the alternative where people are paid according to how well they can negotiate. Things can get very ugly when people discover that the person working for them is paid more than they are.

Don't agree with the general claim that "sport is inherently political". AFL, as the largest domestic football competition, is however a somewhat special case. No doubt that AFL has become increasingly politicised over the years. The problem is that (popular, politically correct) sports are inherently attractive to politicians (and to big business) because of the propaganda opportunities they offer. Conversely, politicians are attractive to sports administrators because of the money (eg many of the clubs have received large handouts of public money to build training facilities and/or grandstands) and influence (eg a Collingwood-supporting state minister allowed Collingwood to develop Olympic Park as their training base) they can direct to clubs. Such outcomes could be viewed as a form of socialism, and I certainly don't approve of the ever-developing nexus between the AFL and the political powers. However, I don't see such outcomes as being inevitable for any sport, rather I see them as reflecting the greed and short sightedness of the AFL.

[TheBloods]

I think many on Red and White would love to know who the ratbags are.

Would you ever disclose who the ratbags are if you were talking to a Red and White community member in person.

I will not disclose it because its none of our business ! I mentioned the ratbags only as a response to the idea that our playing group is above the questionable things happening at other mobs . We have the exact same problems as other clubs . I was told i was @@@@ stirring , if i was i would name them . Its none of our business , period

[Bangalore Swans]

If Dawson made the comment about Sydney being too ‘intense’ then undoubtedly he was referring to the pace of living. What those of us who commented were saying is that there will be a high degree of everyday footy-focused intensity for Dawson in Adelaide, unlike Sydney, which he might not have taken into account.

Then again he played for Sturt before being drafted, so he should be fully aware of Adelaideans footy obsession - and that of the Adelaide Advertiser.

Should Dawson have a chat to Lockett? A country person who struggled in an AFL city before finding more happiness at the Swans. Plugger would understand Dawson.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Oh please. Fancy letting your manager selectively leak to the Adelaide media such a self-serving version of the conversation with Horse. Of course he doesn’t want the risk of running the PSD gauntlet. Who would? But it doesn’t actually say he wouldn’t go that path eventually. It’s just a story of vague, self-promoting assertions.

“Oh, I didn’t really want to leave the club high and dry and tried really really hard to get a deal done but alas.”

In fact, what sort of little creep would let his manager leak any part of a private conversation with his coach.

A truly dreadful act.

[Bangalore Swans]

Oh please. Fancy letting your manager selectively leak to the Adelaide media such a self-serving version of the conversation with Horse. Of course he doesn’t want the risk of running the PSD gauntlet. Who would? But it doesn’t actually say he wouldn’t go that path eventually. It’s just a story of vague, self-promoting assertions.

“Oh, I didn’t really want to leave the club high and dry and tried really really hard to get a deal done but alas.”

In fact, what sort of little creep would let his manager leak any part of a private conversation with his coach.

A truly dreadful act.

If he recommitted to the Swans he would be a legend in your eyes, not a little creep.

Besides, are you sure who leaked the chat with Longmire?

[KTigers]

I’m not sure that the intensity relates to football, perhaps, rather just the pace of living in general. Adelaide runs at a slower pace. They built a fully functioning covid hospital in China in a week. In Adelaide it took about 3 months to fix the footpath near my house. & it’s not the laid back Queensland kind of slow either. The footy scrutiny here is a bit intense but so many other aspects just aren’t. you can walk the CBD, corner to corner in an hour if you’re brisk. And you can still find free parks in the city.

The footy scrutiny is "intense" because there is nothing else happening there mate. What sort of crowds do the footpath fixing events
get?

[i'm-uninformed2]

If he recommitted to the Swans he would be a legend in your eyes, not a little creep.

Besides, are you sure who leaked the chat with Longmire?

That’s easy, as someone long practised in media and comms (and leaving aside the fact it goes against Sydney’s usual practice of doing things quietly).

1. Who has the advantage here in leaking this: Sydney, who by breaching a private conversation risk upsetting a player they are potentially trying to keep or getting best return on, or the player and manager, who want to position themselves as reasonable?

2. Where did it appear: what advantage do the Swans get by placing this story in the Adelaide media (answer is zero) vs a club, manager and player wanting to position themselves favourably in their home town by pretending to do everything right?

3. What did the story do: it applied a construct that was full of meaningless statements.

a. The Swans would like to keep him. Duh
b. He wants to avoid the PSD. So what? Is he saying he won’t go there.
c. He wants to see the Swans fairly compensated? So what? Who’s defining fair here?
d. The Swans want a clean first round pick. This is kind of the giveaway. Pick 17 was clean. Pick 18 next year is clean. What we actually want is something different.

Sorry, but the facts are, he and his manager, and possibly the Crows, leaked a private conversation with Horse to make him look like he’s “really trying” to do the right thing. It’s an awful thing to do, particularly to someone usually as empathetic to player wellbeing as Horse is.

[MattW]

That’s easy, as someone long practised in media and comms (and leaving aside the fact it goes against Sydney’s usual practice of doing things quietly).

1. Who has the advantage here in leaking this: Sydney, who by breaching a private conversation risk upsetting a player they are potentially trying to keep or getting best return on, or the player and manager, who want to position themselves as reasonable?

2. Where did it appear: what advantage do the Swans get by placing this story in the Adelaide media (answer is zero) vs a club, manager and player wanting to position themselves favourably in their home town by pretending to do everything right?

3. What did the story do: it applied a construct that was full of meaningless statements.

a. The Swans would like to keep him. Duh
b. He wants to avoid the PSD. So what? Is he saying he won’t go there.
c. He wants to see the Swans fairly compensated? So what? Who’s defining fair here?
d. The Swans want a clean first round pick. This is kind of the giveaway. Pick 17 was clean. Pick 18 next year is clean. What we actually want is something different.

Sorry, but the facts are, he and his manager, and possibly the Crows, leaked a private conversation with Horse to make him look like he’s “really trying” to do the right thing. It’s an awful thing to do, particularly to someone usually as empathetic to player wellbeing as Horse is.

Well constructed observation.

We'll find out the force and substance of the 'wants the Swans to be fairly compensated' aspect by Wednesday.

[troyjones2525]

That’s easy, as someone long practised in media and comms (and leaving aside the fact it goes against Sydney’s usual practice of doing things quietly).

1. Who has the advantage here in leaking this: Sydney, who by breaching a private conversation risk upsetting a player they are potentially trying to keep or getting best return on, or the player and manager, who want to position themselves as reasonable?

2. Where did it appear: what advantage do the Swans get by placing this story in the Adelaide media (answer is zero) vs a club, manager and player wanting to position themselves favourably in their home town by pretending to do everything right?

3. What did the story do: it applied a construct that was full of meaningless statements.

a. The Swans would like to keep him. Duh
b. He wants to avoid the PSD. So what? Is he saying he won’t go there.
c. He wants to see the Swans fairly compensated? So what? Who’s defining fair here?
d. The Swans want a clean first round pick. This is kind of the giveaway. Pick 17 was clean. Pick 18 next year is clean. What we actually want is something different.

Sorry, but the facts are, he and his manager, and possibly the Crows, leaked a private conversation with Horse to make him look like he’s “really trying” to do the right thing. It’s an awful thing to do, particularly to someone usually as empathetic to player wellbeing as Horse is.

Totally agree. While the news article has somewhat helped some swans fans breathe a little easier regarding Dawson compo (which was no doubt the intention), All it really does is try and soften Jordan's image, hence no doubt it has been leaked by his handlers, because when a deal doesn't get done and Jordan slithers off the the Crows via the PSD there will still be a number of Swans supporters saying "Oh it's not his fault! He said he wanted the Swans to get fair compensation!!!"

Well we'll see how things play out because if that were really true, Jordan and his management would be 'firm' with Adelaide, a club who allegedly rate him extremely high, in ensuring a fair deal is struck with the Swans, similar to how Dangerfield was when leaving them...

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[Nico]

The big question is; will Adelaide be fixtured to play in Sydney next year.

[Steve]

Sorry, but the facts are, he and his manager, and possibly the Crows, leaked a private conversation with Horse to make him look like he’s “really trying” to do the right thing. It’s an awful thing to do, particularly to someone usually as empathetic to player wellbeing as Horse is.

This is also a distinct possibility. Hopefully because they are softening and willing to give a better deal than has been reported. Until now it has been pretty strong via the media that’s it’s Sydney losing in a trade or the PSD as the only two likely scenarios - so Crows fans would be sitting back pretty happy.

A subtle leak, directed at Crows supporters, that Sydney is still actively talking to Dawson to convince him to stay, that Dawson doesn’t want to go into the PSD etc might be preparing them for a trade to go down that is better for Sydney than has been reported.

I’m sure Adelaide supporters have been disenchanted with the club for a long time re: their drafting and retention with all the one-way traffic out of the club. Getting Dawson would be the priority but I’m sure they want their supporters thinking they did their upmost to get the best deal done in the circumstances as well.

[Markwebbos]

The big question is; will Adelaide be fixtured to play in Sydney next year.

Round one will be Swans v Crows at the SCG to give you know who a chance to kick his 1000

[MattW]

This is also a distinct possibility. Hopefully because they are softening and willing to give a better deal than has been reported. Until now it has been pretty strong via the media that’s it’s Sydney losing in a trade or the PSD as the only two likely scenarios - so Crows fans would be sitting back pretty happy.

A subtle leak, directed at Crows supporters, that Sydney is still actively talking to Dawson to convince him to stay, that Dawson doesn’t want to go into the PSD etc might be preparing them for a trade to go down that is better for Sydney than has been reported.

I’m sure Adelaide supporters have been disenchanted with the club for a long time re: their drafting and retention with all the one-way traffic out of the club. Getting Dawson would be the priority but I’m sure they want their supporters thinking they did their upmost to get the best deal done in the circumstances as well.

Also very well put!