2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Ludwig]

Yes we have the young talent there . Just needs to be fostered

Mcdonald could anchor a forward line , got a good head on his shoulders , smart player , skilful .

As for the silly talk of needing Heeney to be our Petracca , we have one , his name is Chad warner , he is doing things in his first 15 games Petracca could only dream of doing .

I agree with you on McDonald, but it's too soon to put Warner in the same class as Petracca. Let him first try to get to the same level of someone in his draft class like Caleb Serong. It's one thing to be positive about a player (and I'm very positive about Warner), but let's not get carried away about it.

[mcs]

I'd have them the other way round. I think Campbell is more flashy than Errol - or at least, his raw tools lend themselves more to flashiness, but I also think Errol's all round game is more developed at the moment.

I'm willing to wager that Errol is a future captain of the club, assuming injuries don't get in the way. He sees the game so quickly, and he's already happy to tell his senior team mates where to go and what to do. (I acknowledge some of them may not be as happy about that as he is, but I think it shows his confidence in his knowledge of the game and the game plan at such a young age.) I also think he's a remarkably mature and articulate young man - more so than Campbell at this stage.

Time will tell - I just sense Campbell will be the leader of the two while Gulden the 'superstar' that gets the most notice. Doesn't matter who is who however, both should be fantastic players for us.

[Blood Fever]

With Campbell, wondering if he’s best suited to slot more into that role slightly behind the ball, the way Salem does for Melbourne. Daniel does it for the Dogs. Neither play as pure defenders. It’s kind of the role McVeigh played in his latter years.

Campbell has the benefits of pure speed, and arguably a more penetrating kick. The three I mentioned above all have exceptional footy IQ so if Campbell can read the play like that, he could be lethal in the role.

Be keen to hear from those who watched his junior footy as to his best position.

You may be right about playing him behind the ball as a distributor. This is where we'll miss Dawson the most with his elite kicking. Huge loss for us. Aerial work, kicking and goals very hard to replace. Hopefully Campbell and Blakey make up for it.

[Ludwig]

With Campbell, wondering if he’s best suited to slot more into that role slightly behind the ball, the way Salem does for Melbourne. Daniel does it for the Dogs. Neither play as pure defenders. It’s kind of the role McVeigh played in his latter years.

Campbell has the benefits of pure speed, and arguably a more penetrating kick. The three I mentioned above all have exceptional footy IQ so if Campbell can read the play like that, he could be lethal in the role.

It's hard to say what our defence will be next year, but it's likely to include Tom McCartin, Rampe, Lloyd and Cunningham. There's a good chance that Blakey will be there as well, and we are likely to include another tall KPD, maybe Paddy McCartin, Melican or Gould.

Campbell, Gulden and Stephens are all similar type players, and all left footers as well. It's hard to say where they will end up eventually, but I see them fitting more into the forward line next year. Most small forwards play as offensive midfielders, rotating through the midfield in transition from defence to attack. All 3 are capable of playing this role well.

I think this frees up Heeney to become more of an impact rover type. He can influence the game in so many ways. Heeney only averaged 16 disposals this year, compared to 29 for Petracca. I think he's capable of having a similar output as Petracca, but if he plays forward, he can be taken out of the game too easily. You want a player like Heeney to be a big part of the action throughout the game.

[TheBloods]

I agree with you on McDonald, but it's too soon to put Warner in the same class as Petracca. Let him first try to get to the same level of someone in his draft class like Caleb Serong. It's one thing to be positive about a player (and I'm very positive about Warner), but let's not get carried away about it.

Who else do we have who is Petracca , Dusty like ? None . Heeneys a great talent but doesnt have their speed to burst from congestion , no one on our list does except for Chad . Im a fan of Mills Gulden etc but Chad is the only one with gamebreaking signs , Jmac also but he 'll spend a lot of time outside aswell

[giant]

Ricciuto is a goose isn't he, and it reflects poorly on the young man who has now disgraced the number once worn by the great Troy Luff that he's his hero. Because what goes around comes around.

It's definitely not the Swans way, and won't ultimately happen, but just for the sake of our hand in the negotiations, I do hope someone on list management is putting a call into Norf just to confirm they have both the interest and salary cap space (which they will) if young Jordan finds his way to the PSD and ensuring he and his management know the potential is there.

As I said, a deal will be done because the Swans are ultimately practical traders, it's just do whatever is needed to make sure it's the best deal for our club.

I'm not normally one for the machismo of "give us what he's worth or he goes to the PSD", but the Swans have a real dilemma with the number of talented interstaters that will be OOC in the near future and so Jordan may end up becoming a sacrificial pawn as we show we're happy to do business with clubs but only if they come with the right intent at the trade table.

[stevoswan]

I agree that Warner has the most potential of our young players to end up Petracca like.....he is the most dynamic mover in our team. We need more like him.

[MattW]

I'd have them the other way round. I think Campbell is more flashy than Errol - or at least, his raw tools lend themselves more to flashiness, but I also think Errol's all round game is more developed at the moment.

I'm willing to wager that Errol is a future captain of the club, assuming injuries don't get in the way. He sees the game so quickly, and he's already happy to tell his senior team mates where to go and what to do. (I acknowledge some of them may not be as happy about that as he is, but I think it shows his confidence in his knowledge of the game and the game plan at such a young age.) I also think he's a remarkably mature and articulate young man - more so than Campbell at this stage.

Agree with all of that. Gulden reminds me of Kirk.

[AB Swannie]

Heeney is by far more dynamic and powerful than The Chad. The Chad has potential but Heeney would destroy him in a one on one contest right now.

[i'm-uninformed2]

It's hard to say what our defence will be next year, but it's likely to include Tom McCartin, Rampe, Lloyd and Cunningham. There's a good chance that Blakey will be there as well, and we are likely to include another tall KPD, maybe Paddy McCartin, Melican or Gould.

Campbell, Gulden and Stephens are all similar type players, and all left footers as well. It's hard to say where they will end up eventually, but I see them fitting more into the forward line next year. Most small forwards play as offensive midfielders, rotating through the midfield in transition from defence to attack. All 3 are capable of playing this role well.

I think this frees up Heeney to become more of an impact rover type. He can influence the game in so many ways. Heeney only averaged 16 disposals this year, compared to 29 for Petracca. I think he's capable of having a similar output as Petracca, but if he plays forward, he can be taken out of the game too easily. You want a player like Heeney to be a big part of the action throughout the game.

Yep re Heeney. Weirdly, I think he is more effective as a goal kicker when he starts up on a wing.

When he plays solely forward (which reading between the lines on what Horse has said is often because Buddy was out like last year, or he's lacked the training due to injuries like earlier in this season), he can still do what he can do, but the opposition can put a proper defender on him.

When he plays up around the ball, he has the acceleration from the contest, the foot skills going inside 50 and the link up marking on the wing to make him dangerous there, but any midfielder playing on him has no hope when he motors forward to be a marking and goal kicking threat. It's what he did so well in games like the Freo one or the GWS final.

You just hope like hell he gets a free run at it injury wise because if he can the training done to get his tank up, he'll be everything we know he can be.

[Captain]

Haven’t been this excited about two young players in years. Both are going to be guns!!

In order to push for a premiership I feel that we are a key defender short. Would love to find one in the trade period.

[Markwebbos]

It's hard to say what our defence will be next year, but it's likely to include Tom McCartin, Rampe, Lloyd and Cunningham. There's a good chance that Blakey will be there as well, and we are likely to include another tall KPD, maybe Paddy McCartin, Melican or Gould.

Campbell, Gulden and Stephens are all similar type players, and all left footers as well. It's hard to say where they will end up eventually, but I see them fitting more into the forward line next year. Most small forwards play as offensive midfielders, rotating through the midfield in transition from defence to attack. All 3 are capable of playing this role well.

I think this frees up Heeney to become more of an impact rover type. He can influence the game in so many ways. Heeney only averaged 16 disposals this year, compared to 29 for Petracca. I think he's capable of having a similar output as Petracca, but if he plays forward, he can be taken out of the game too easily. You want a player like Heeney to be a big part of the action throughout the game.

Trouble is we've needed Heeney to make things happen up forward as much as in the middle. Outside of Buddy we are very light on for genuine targets to kick to. Hopefully one of our talls will stand up in 2022 as a genuine threat.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Trouble is we've needed Heeney to make things happen up forward as much as in the middle. Outside of Buddy we are very light on for genuine targets to kick to. Hopefully one of our talls will stand up in 2022 as a genuine threat.

McDonald's progression will be fascinating.. He showed all the signs, it's just the trajectory.

Personally, I think if he plays 15-18 games next year, and does well in at least half of them, it's a tick. Of course you want him to be a star right away, but he's a young KPF. If he's playing excellent and regular senior footy from his third season and beyond, that's fine with me.

[Faunac8]

Yes we have the young talent there . Just needs to be fostered

As for the silly talk of needing Heeney to be our Petracca , we have one , his name is Chad warner , he is doing things in his first 15 games Petracca could only dream of doing .

Close but no cigar , although pretty close and as is the general consensus on this forum Chad will be a beauty based on this
Christian Petracca and Chad Warner AFL Stats Comparison

[Ludwig]

Who else do we have who is Petracca , Dusty like ? None . Heeneys a great talent but doesnt have their speed to burst from congestion , no one on our list does except for Chad . Im a fan of Mills Gulden etc but Chad is the only one with gamebreaking signs , Jmac also but he 'll spend a lot of time outside aswell

Petracca and Dusty are rare birds. There are not many going around, but I think Heeney is the closest we have at the Swans to that kind of player. Heeney would definitely be faster than Dusty and probably quicker than Petracca and Chad as well, but they all have that powerful burst from the contest that we haven't seen much of with Heeney because he hasn't played in that position much to show what he can do. Heeney is the best athlete of the 4 and can do it all. His field kicking the 2nd half of the year was elite.