2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[i'm-uninformed2]

I think Dawson would rather sign 2 year contract with us than risk going to the PSD and having to play at least a year at either North or GC. This would see him get to Crows as RFA (if desire remains), hopefully enjoying finals/flag success with us in the meantime. We're most likely to get better AFL draft compensation than if we traded him now, assuming Dawson's AA playing trajectory continues.

The main thing for us is for him to know Norf are hanging out there. It’s not our way and we tend to be sensible traders, but him and his manager knowing Norf have the cap space and incentive they’d get a good pick for him if he then left them, will put a bit of poo in his pants and have them pushing for a decent deal for us. Least he could do for disgracing Troy Luff’s jersey.

[bennyfabulous]

I am going to assume McDonald will be a big part of our best 22 next year. He probably won’t play all games but they will want him playing 70%. Someone needs to be moved from the forward line to accomodate him. We will need a second ruck so it’s not going to be McLean/Amartey. Therefore, for me, the obvious choice is to push Heeney into the middle more. Not permanent but 80%.

2022 Forward Structure
1. Main man - Buddy
2. Fwd/Rck - McLean/Amartey
3. 3rd tall - McDonald
4. Medium - Hayward
5. Small attack focus - Papley
6. Small pressure focus - Wicks
7. Half forward - Gulden/Campbell

Thoughts?

Yes sounds very good.

[Roadrunner]

Carlton has lodged free agency papers for George.

Listening to Tom Harley, doesn’t look if we can keep either Jordan or George, unfortunately. It seems Jordan’s request came as a surprise, but if negotiations were ongoing for a while, I can’t see how this could be the case.

A bit different with George, as if it is true that we didn’t make an offer, what choice did he have?

[Ludwig]

Richmond got an end of 2nd round compo pick for Mabior Chol who went to the Suns on a 4 year contract, same as Hewett. I haven't seen anything on Chol's salary, but can't imagine it being more than the $450k pa that Hewett is getting from Carlton, so assume that we will also get an end of 2nd rounder for Hewett. So roughly a pick 40.

By signing Sinclair, I think we are not in the ruckman market during this trade period. We could have waited on Sinclair, but given that he's signed already, I suppose that means we've already decided to wait until the draft or next season to boost ruck stocks.

I'm surprised that none of the trade gurus have proposed Adelaide's 2021 + 2022 2nd rounders for Dawson, but instead keep talking about moving up their pick 23 to something in the teens. The 2 second rounders seem fair and are available now. I don't see why the Dawson deal can't be done quickly if Adelaide are willing to part with their 2022 2nd round pick, but it's not even mentioned.

[Markwebbos]

Listening to Tom Harley, doesn’t look if we can keep either Jordan or George, unfortunately. It seems Jordan’s request came as a surprise, but if negotiations were ongoing for a while, I can’t see how this could be the case.

A bit different with George, as if it is true that we didn’t make an offer, what choice did he have?

I don’t know this but I believe JD left for SA telling the club it was a formality (nothing to worry about) and then after he’d left, and I’m guessing after his exit interview, he dropped the bomb that he wanted to be traded.

I’m also speculating they asked him about need to go back to SA before he left and he told them it was a non issue.

The club normally plays with a straight bat and if there is a reason for a player to want to go home they will acknowledge the fact.

2 things Tom Harley said caught my ear (1) he praised JD’s character, said he is a good person (2) he used the present tense and said he IS a big part of our plans going forward.

I don’t know if Tom’s trying to convey to JD that he has not burnt his bridges. It’s all quite mystifying tbh

I also think the club knows how good he’s going to be?

[Markwebbos]

By signing Sinclair, I think we are not in the ruckman market during this trade period. We could have waited on Sinclair, but given that he's signed already, I suppose that means we've already decided to wait until the draft or next season to boost ruck stocks..

You are spot on about re-signing Sinkers.

I think they’ll give Amartey and McLean every opportunity next year and see where Naismith is at in 12 months.

But, Realistically none of those are likely to be suitable as long-term replacements for Hickey.

[111431]

You are spot on about re-signing Sinkers.

I think they’ll give Amartey and McLean every opportunity next year and see where Naismith is at in 12 months.

But, Realistically none of those are likely to be suitable as long-term replacements for Hickey.

Let’s all move on from big Sam

[COB]

Richmond got an end of 2nd round compo pick for Mabior Chol who went to the Suns on a 4 year contract, same as Hewett. I haven't seen anything on Chol's salary, but can't imagine it being more than the $450k pa that Hewett is getting from Carlton, so assume that we will also get an end of 2nd rounder for Hewett. So roughly a pick 40.

By signing Sinclair, I think we are not in the ruckman market during this trade period. We could have waited on Sinclair, but given that he's signed already, I suppose that means we've already decided to wait until the draft or next season to boost ruck stocks.

I'm surprised that none of the trade gurus have proposed Adelaide's 2021 + 2022 2nd rounders for Dawson, but instead keep talking about moving up their pick 23 to something in the teens. The 2 second rounders seem fair and are available now. I don't see why the Dawson deal can't be done quickly if Adelaide are willing to part with their 2022 2nd round pick, but it's not even mentioned.

Agree with all of that Ludwig. Pick 25 this year plus 28 next year for example equates to pick 9.5 plus also gives us two chances at finding a decent player. I would be happy with that. If Crows weren't we can throw in a later pick or exchange later picks.

[Bangalore Swans]

Is there room without the salary cap rules for some creative payments?

For example, are we allowed to bring Max Gawn to the club as a playing ruck coach that we pay him mostly through the football operations budget?

Can Bont come to the club in a dual role as a player and coach of the VFL side. This would allow a good portion of this salary to be paid through the football operations budget saving the salary cap.

Are these sort of playing / coaching deals permitted?

I would love to hear from Faunac8, MCS, Ludwig and others who have displayed great knowledge of salary cap issues.

[WomblingFree]

You are spot on about re-signing Sinkers.

I think they’ll give Amartey and McLean every opportunity next year and see where Naismith is at in 12 months.

But, Realistically none of those are likely to be suitable as long-term replacements for Hickey.

Were we to get pick 23 from Adelaide then Toby Conway would be a good option.

Solid two year apprenticeship under Hickey and Sinclair and then hoepfully a 10 year player

[WomblingFree]

Re Dawson, I don't think we'll miss has as much as we think.

I think we have perhaps the best young half back in the league in Nick Blakey and Horse has finally found his right spot I feel. His run and carry and atheticism are real assets. The only thing he really needs to do is start clunking a few contested marks which was a real strength for Dawson./

[cherub]

And learn some self protection. No use to the team injured.

[Faunac8]

Bangalore your ability to look for creative opportunities to improve our playing list is to be admired however those type of deals have been practically impossible to implement for about 50 years . The recent popular trend of playing contracts being offered to “ player coaches “ such as Luke Hodge and Jordan Lewis etc has been seen as a positive by many but they were also closely monitored by the AFL and all payments were included in the salary cap.
Most of the creativity involved in AFL player payments happens far removed from the actual club and associated entities and any reference to them as player payments is quickly dismissed.
Please ignore Geelong Adelaide and West Coast property developers , McDonald franchisees and real estate consultants etc as they are obviously genuine business opportunities.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Re Dawson, I don't think we'll miss has as much as we think.

I think we have perhaps the best young half back in the league in Nick Blakey and Horse has finally found his right spot I feel. His run and carry and atheticism are real assets. The only thing he really needs to do is start clunking a few contested marks which was a real strength for Dawson./

I think we willl. The difference is that Dawson played at his best on the wing. He was the perfect wingman. Hopefully Blakey or Campbell can become just as good in a few years but it won’t happen next year.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Yes. You get to know the compensation before deciding whether to match or not.