2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • rb4x
    Regular in the Side
    • Dec 2007
    • 968

    Carlton also looking to get Cerra and Brander as well as George. Must have a very elastic salary cap when you look who they have brought in over the last few years.

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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16773

      Looks like the AFL site is streaming a SA vs Allies U19 game tomorrow morning (9.50am Sydney/Melb time) (and remember clocks go forward an hour tonight, so that's "really" 8.50am).

      A chance to maybe see a couple of our academy boys in action (as well as another viewing of the nephew of a Sydney great).

      NAB AFL U19 CHAMPS: Watch South Australia v Allies LIVE on Sunday, October 3

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      • MattW
        Veterans List
        • May 2011
        • 4218

        This from Peter Ryan has some reporting within it:

        "Swans offered Dawson a significant deal and would welcome him back if the 24-year-old had a change of heart with Sydney open to him re-signing for two years and considering his options when he becomes a free agent.

        However with Dawson unlikely to shift course the Swans will be looking to extract a high draft pick from the Crows who have picks four, 23 and 37.

        They will need to find a selection between picks 10 and 20 to come close to satisfying Sydney who have made it clear they are disappointed to lose Dawson after his breakout year."


        AFL trades 2021: George Hewett to Carlton Blues as Sydney Swans don’t match offer

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        • longmile
          Crumber
          • Apr 2011
          • 3366

          Big Hewett fan. Honest hard-working toiler and severely underrated by both us and the media. Suspect him to do very well at Carlton. I reckon we can easily fill the hole of him leaving but I would of rather it had been other players. Also he didn't seem super ecstatic to be leaving but rather that he was being pushed out by the club who he has worked so hard for. Is what it is.

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          • Markwebbos
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2016
            • 7186

            It is sad, but I’m not sure the club had a spot for George long term.

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            • Roadrunner
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2018
              • 1480

              Originally posted by Markwebbos
              It is sad, but I’m not sure the club had a spot for George long term.
              True, that seems to be the case. Thank you George- you have been very good for us and sad to see you go. Wish you all the best- sorry you are going to the Blues though!

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              • Blood Fever
                Veterans List
                • Apr 2007
                • 4049

                Originally posted by longmile
                Big Hewett fan. Honest hard-working toiler and severely underrated by both us and the media. Suspect him to do very well at Carlton. I reckon we can easily fill the hole of him leaving but I would of rather it had been other players. Also he didn't seem super ecstatic to be leaving but rather that he was being pushed out by the club who he has worked so hard for. Is what it is.
                Good post and a valid reason why players should not be judged if they look after their own interests. Don't begrudge George one iota.

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                • Aprilbr
                  Senior Player
                  • Oct 2016
                  • 1803

                  Originally posted by ugg
                  Hewett to Carlton confirmed. We get end of second round currently pick 39
                  I'm a bit relieved with that outcome. I was afraid that given his annual salary was a modest $450k it may have only meant a third rounder compensation going to us. That's a handy pick that could yield us another good player!

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                  • Ludwig
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9359

                    George was a LFS winner and long time favourite, but the move is the right one for both George and the Swans. It's just the way lists evolve that force some trades that we would prefer wouldn't happen, but need to happen to rebalance the team. We had to let go of Tom Mitchell to make room for George and now George is going to make room for Rowbottom. Maybe a few years down the road Rowbottom will be traded off to make room for Marc Sheather (not a prediction, but a reasonable hypothetical).

                    Despite George being an excellent player, it was becoming more difficult to fit him in our midfield with so many up and coming talented players. We also needed the salary cap relief. We got a reasonable draft pick as compensation, so he didn't go for nothing.

                    Now we have to see the washout from the Dawson debacle. He's someone who would have played an important part in the Swans' future, but we will have to take a step back, regroup, and hope that other players, like Stephens, can step up and fill the gap.

                    We should have an even quicker team next year, but have to put the speed to good use and not run around like a bunch of headless chooks.

                    We need to draft or recruit a couple of solid KPPs to finish the rebalancing.

                    Good luck to George. I think he'll do well at Carlton, but Carlton may not necessarily do well with George. Maybe if they had a salary cap they would find more success.

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                    • Foreign Legion
                      Senior Player
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 3368

                      Originally posted by rb4x
                      Carlton also looking to get Cerra and Brander as well as George. Must have a very elastic salary cap when you look who they have brought in over the last few years.
                      I think they get special dispensation due to the passing of Big Jack.

                      An absolute joke with who they have signed already.

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                      • dejavoodoo44
                        Veterans List
                        • Apr 2015
                        • 8637

                        Originally posted by rb4x
                        Carlton also looking to get Cerra and Brander as well as George. Must have a very elastic salary cap when you look who they have brought in over the last few years.
                        And especially when you also look at who they've let go recently. It's only Eddie, who was on the rookie list (they really must change the name of that) and Casboult and Murphy, who were on one year deals at the end of their careers. So, not much salary cap reduction there.

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                        Originally posted by Foreign Legion
                        I think they get special dispensation due to the passing of Big Jack.

                        An absolute joke with who they have signed already.
                        The John Elliot Memorial Rort?

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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16773

                          Originally posted by longmile
                          Suspect him to do very well at Carlton.
                          I'm actually pretty confused about Carlton's interest in him. They already have Cripps as the centre-piece of their onball brigade. I suspect Cripps makes Hewett look quick (but he's not).

                          They have Setterfield who I've always seen as a big bodied inside mid, who they couldn't find a spot for in the engine room and so pushed out to a wing (where he didn't really impact).

                          They couldn't find a spot for Matt Kennedy - another big bodied, slowish mid - until they tried him forward. To his credit, he proved quite effective as a mid-sized forward, and maybe that's where he'll play out his career, but the only reason they tried him there was because there wasn't a spot for him in their midfield.

                          They have Paddy Dow who also has a bit of size to him and was drafted as a midfielder. He's probably a bit quicker than the likes of Hewett, Cripps, Kennedy but still in a "big bodied" kind of way, yet without the explosiveness of a Petracca, Martin, Dangerfield. They couldn't find a regular spot for him either.

                          Maybe these players who couldn't find a regular spot just aren't quite good enough. But I suspect it's more that Carlton hasn't found a way to use them properly. The arrival of Voss might change that, but I still reckon they might first try to make the players they currently have (who were all highly touted juniors) create a functional midfield rather than bring in another similar player.

                          That said, given the Swans seemed to have decided he was expendable, I am glad Hewett has found a place at another club. There are a few of those types on the market this year and not many takers.

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                          • dejavoodoo44
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2015
                            • 8637

                            Originally posted by liz
                            Looks like the AFL site is streaming a SA vs Allies U19 game tomorrow morning (9.50am Sydney/Melb time) (and remember clocks go forward an hour tonight, so that's "really" 8.50am).

                            A chance to maybe see a couple of our academy boys in action (as well as another viewing of the nephew of a Sydney great).

                            NAB AFL U19 CHAMPS: Watch South Australia v Allies LIVE on Sunday, October 3
                            Yes, I noticed that. Although I couldn't find a team list anywhere. It would be nice if one appeared before the game, since the last time I tuned into an U-19 game, the commentators seemed to have almost no interest in calling the game.

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                            • dejavoodoo44
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 8637

                              Originally posted by Ludwig
                              George was a LFS winner and long time favourite, but the move is the right one for both George and the Swans. It's just the way lists evolve that force some trades that we would prefer wouldn't happen, but need to happen to rebalance the team. We had to let go of Tom Mitchell to make room for George and now George is going to make room for Rowbottom. Maybe a few years down the road Rowbottom will be traded off to make room for Marc Sheather (not a prediction, but a reasonable hypothetical).

                              Despite George being an excellent player, it was becoming more difficult to fit him in our midfield with so many up and coming talented players. We also needed the salary cap relief. We got a reasonable draft pick as compensation, so he didn't go for nothing.

                              Now we have to see the washout from the Dawson debacle. He's someone who would have played an important part in the Swans' future, but we will have to take a step back, regroup, and hope that other players, like Stephens, can step up and fill the gap.

                              We should have an even quicker team next year, but have to put the speed to good use and not run around like a bunch of headless chooks.

                              We need to draft or recruit a couple of solid KPPs to finish the rebalancing.

                              Good luck to George. I think he'll do well at Carlton, but Carlton may not necessarily do well with George. Maybe if they had a salary cap they would find more success.
                              Yes, shame to see him go, but I guess it does emphasise, the high opinion that management must have of our young midfielders.

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                              • Markwebbos
                                Veterans List
                                • Jul 2016
                                • 7186

                                I believe that Carlton deliberately underspent the cap for a number of years, allowing them to overspend now. That extra 5% works out to around $650k (1.4 George Hewett's or a little less than 1 Adam Cerra). They've so far lost Betts, Casboult and Murphy, but have nine others without contracts, and stand to lose SPP at the very least.

                                They do seem to splash the cash (and draft picks) on players that aren't worth what they paid for them: McGovern, Saad and Williams spring to mind.

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