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  • AB Swannie
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2017
    • 1579

    Originally posted by bloodspirit
    Fox Footy's updated Phantom Draft: AFL phantom draft 2021 | Phantom mock draft AFL 2021 Fox Footy: Predictions, news, analysis, draft order (foxsports.com.au).

    If this is right and we miss out on both Johnson and Erasmus due to our pick swap with Port I'll be spewing.
    I think “pick swap” is a little harsh. We ended up with Ladhams too.

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    • wolftone57
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2008
      • 5835

      Originally posted by bloodspirit
      Fox Footy's updated Phantom Draft: AFL phantom draft 2021 | Phantom mock draft AFL 2021 Fox Footy: Predictions, news, analysis, draft order (foxsports.com.au).

      If this is right and we miss out on both Johnson and Erasmus due to our pick swap with Port I'll be spewing.
      We didn't exactly just Pick Swap. We got a player. Remember him? Big guy, name starts with L? Don't remember? Oh well. J think we did more than OK out of that deal and if they are not there at 16, then so be it.

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      • Maltopia
        Senior Player
        • Apr 2016
        • 1556

        Originally posted by liz
        If North were to bid on Daicos (I think it's clear they won't), the Giants' bid on Darcy would come in at pick 3, not pick 2. So they would need fewer points to match.
        Thanks liz and apologies to 707! I had forgotten that the matched bid means the next bid is counted as one lower, so e.g., I thought it would be pick 1 Norf, pick 2 matched by Dogs, pick 2 proper GWS (even though it was the third player drafted), pick 3 etc. So our pick 16 not only is the 18th player selected (if there are two FS before us) but our pick 16 is also worth less points as it is now officially 18.

        How complicated.... the FS picks also push our 31, 39 and later picks back, but also move them forward if picks used to match are higher than 31 and 39 respectively! So it all depends on where Collingwood's picks are re whether our 31 and 39 become better, stay where they are, or get worse. Same re Darcy.

        It is so complex that they can say for us our first pick is 16, likely to be 18 after FS selections, but they haven't said what our picks 31 and 39 are likely to be after Darcy and Daicos (and if other FS/NGA players are taken before our 31 and 39)....

        Have I got this right? If Moore and Daicos and others are bid on before our 16, it makes our 16 worse (as less players available by the time we get to our pick), but our picks 39 and potentially 31 get better and better as all the picks between our 16 and the 31 and 39 get surrendered by other clubs?

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        • Kafka's Ghost
          Regular in the Side
          • Sep 2017
          • 899

          Originally posted by Maltopia
          Thanks liz and apologies to 707! I had forgotten that the matched bid means the next bid is counted as one lower, so e.g., I thought it would be pick 1 Norf, pick 2 matched by Dogs, pick 2 proper GWS (even though it was the third player drafted), pick 3 etc. So our pick 16 not only is the 18th player selected (if there are two FS before us) but our pick 16 is also worth less points as it is now officially 18.

          How complicated.... the FS picks also push our 31, 39 and later picks back, but also move them forward if picks used to match are higher than 31 and 39 respectively! So it all depends on where Collingwood's picks are re whether our 31 and 39 become better, stay where they are, or get worse. Same re Darcy.

          It is so complex that they can say for us our first pick is 16, likely to be 18 after FS selections, but they haven't said what our picks 31 and 39 are likely to be after Darcy and Daicos (and if other FS/NGA players are taken before our 31 and 39)....

          Have I got this right? If Moore and Daicos and others are bid on before our 16, it makes our 16 worse (as less players available by the time we get to our pick), but our picks 39 and potentially 31 get better and better as all the picks between our 16 and the 31 and 39 get surrendered by other clubs?
          The AFL need to hire Antony Green to sort out this complicated numbers game. Makes analysing preferences in an election look like child’s play. I’m pretty sure Antony would be up for the challenge!

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          • Markwebbos
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2016
            • 7186

            Originally posted by bloodspirit
            Fox Footy's updated Phantom Draft: AFL phantom draft 2021 | Phantom mock draft AFL 2021 Fox Footy: Predictions, news, analysis, draft order (foxsports.com.au).

            If this is right and we miss out on both Johnson and Erasmus due to our pick swap with Port I'll be spewing.
            There is talk WCE are open to trading down their pick 10 (12 after FS etc). It would be great if we could get Ladhams and end up picking before Port. I think future picks may come into play (although hopefully not the future first picks)

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            • MattW
              Veterans List
              • May 2011
              • 4195

              Originally posted by bloodspirit
              Are you meaning to be ironic? They were laughing at how little he was prepared to give away?! Apart from saying that he would take Darcy at pick 1 in an open draft (a double hypothetical), what else did he reveal?
              I wasn't! I think that banter was a bit put on.

              From memory, I thought he:
              - broke news about McCartin, including their intentions re where he could play
              - volunteered their thinking re Reid
              - gave an honest answer about their intended approach to the draft re positions they're interested in
              - provided insights re their plans for Ladhams and how the trade affected their drafting

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              Originally posted by AB Swannie
              I think “pick swap” is a little harsh. We ended up with Ladhams too.
              And again, I thought Kinnear explained the thinking on that trade in an interesting way.

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              • Markwebbos
                Veterans List
                • Jul 2016
                • 7186

                Pick 23 is gone to Geelong.

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                • Markwebbos
                  Veterans List
                  • Jul 2016
                  • 7186

                  Twomey is 7 from 7 so far

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                  • troyjones2525
                    Swans Fanatic!
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 2908

                    10 for 10 now! But he never usually gets ours right so will be interesting!

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                    • Markwebbos
                      Veterans List
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 7186

                      Erasmus gorn

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                      • dejavoodoo44
                        Veterans List
                        • Apr 2015
                        • 8494

                        Originally posted by troyjones2525
                        10 for 10 now! But he never usually gets ours right so will be interesting!

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                        11/11 now. Which is very impressive, or exceptionally lucky.

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                        • Thunder Shaker
                          Aut vincere aut mori
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 4160

                          As it stands, I think we currently have picks 18, 33 and 39 after pick swaps and bid matching. Two picks used up between 31 and 39.
                          "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                          • Aprilbr
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2016
                            • 1803

                            Sinn gone for our old pick. The big guy from Port, Ladhams, had better be good!

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                            • Markwebbos
                              Veterans List
                              • Jul 2016
                              • 7186

                              Aleer taken at 15 by GW$

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                              • Pmcc2911
                                Regular in the Side
                                • May 2013
                                • 516

                                Originally posted by Markwebbos
                                Giants have got 2, 13, 53. Is your reliable source saying Giants will pick up Aleer with pick 13?!?
                                Looks like they did

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