2022 List management, trading, drafting

[Markwebbos]

I don’t think that was it …

[bloodspirit]

For those that thought we should have been into former pick 13 from the 2017 draft Jarrod Brander 12 months ago, he's been delisted by GWS today.

I was certainly one who wondered about Brander. Thanks for the update - I heard it here first.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

I'm interested. How much do you charge for lessons?

My advice is always free Ludwig

[Aprilbr]

I was certainly one who wondered about Brander. Thanks for the update - I heard it here first.

There must be something pretty wrong with that guy for his star to decline so rapidly. Perhaps he is just not up to the demands of top AFL footy? Its a big jump from junior footy star to making it in the AFL!

[bloodspirit]

The impression from West Coast were that Brander's issues were mental/attitude rather than physical or talent.

[stellation]

I caught the last couple of games that Brander played at senior level and he looked okay, but seemed to be playing a lot higher than I expected.

[i'm-uninformed2]

So, time to fire up this thread hey.

I think we’re building good midfield depth with Sheldrick, Campbell, maybe Roberts all having capacity to go in there next season. We’ve seen with Chad guys with quick feet matter in there, as they can both move quickly to a ball on the move, and then explode away. But one or two more emerging options wouldn’t hurt. And our wings look good.

We definitely need a long term partner for Logan. I don’t view Amarty or McLean as more than solid depth. This is priority number one in the draft for me.

We also need to be hard headed about our ruck stocks. Hickey was knackered today after carrying the load last week. Despite his brain fades this year, Ladhams can play. But a good young ruck would be nice.

I also think a high speed small forward to accompany Paps would be nice. Clarke has done a good job, but I don’t think he’s the long term answer as he doesn’t offer enough offensively.

And my long term pet obsession is a 200cm defender as we enter the era of giant key forwards.

I know that sounds like a lot, but I think our list is building well. We just need to be ruthless about what will give us the best chance of sustained success over the next five to seven years given the elite talent we already have on board, rather than a sugar hit next year.

[U.S. Swan]

"We definitely need a long term partner for Logan"

Nick Blakey?

[Ludwig]

He's not eligible until next year's draft, but

Sydney Academy member Caiden Cleary was the most productive player on the ground with 31 disposals and six inside-50s – an impressive feat given the flat 22-minute quarters in the Futures game played before the GF.

So we just might have another Academy midfielder coming through next year.

[dejavoodoo44]

He's not eligible until next year's draft, but

Sydney Academy member Caiden Cleary was the most productive player on the ground with 31 disposals and six inside-50s – an impressive feat given the flat 22-minute quarters in the Futures game played before the GF.

So we just might have another Academy midfielder coming through next year.

Yes, he was often one of our best in academy games this year. Gets plenty of the ball as a nippy midfielder and uses it well. Definitely a prospect.

[TheBloods]

Our best 22 rd 1 next year

Rampe , T Mac, P Mac
Lloyd , Blakey, Fox
Jmac, Mills, Stephens
Heeney, Bud, Gulden
Paps, McDonald , Hayward

Hickey, Chad, Parker

Florent, Campbell, Reid , Sheldrick

Emergencies Roberts Gould Rowbottom Clarke

Makes me think we could do with another defender in case Gould is no good and we need another ruck , who knows with Ladhams . Try trade for these and draft a crafty small fwd for when Gus moves into the mids full time

[Auntie.Gerald]

It was reoptered yest

"Although in very different positions considering they actually climbed the mountain, the youngest premiership teams of the AFL era – Collingwood (2010), Essendon (1993), the Western Bulldogs (2016) and West Coast (1992) – failed to add another flag with their respective crops.

It’s proof of how valuable being in a position to challenge is, no matter how ready a team may appear to be, and the importance of taking those chances."

....

This could be true.

Or

We could go along like Geelong in 2011 till 2022 always the bridesmaid....

Or we could re write history

I would argue our mix of trades vs draft is crucial for 2023 season if we want to increase our probability of success.

[The Great One]

It was reoptered yest

"Although in very different positions considering they actually climbed the mountain, the youngest premiership teams of the AFL era – Collingwood (2010), Essendon (1993), the Western Bulldogs (2016) and West Coast (1992) – failed to add another flag with their respective crops.

It’s proof of how valuable being in a position to challenge is, no matter how ready a team may appear to be, and the importance of taking those chances."

....

This could be true.

Or

We could go along like Geelong in 2011 till 2022 always the bridesmaid....

Or we could re write history

I would argue our mix of trades vs draft is crucial for 2023 season if we want to increase our probability of success.

I agree that what we do at trade is very important. It has been obvious for 2 years at least that against the better sides we don't get enough ball out of centre bounces. This was brutally exposed yesterday.

Hickey had run out of gas and needs another quality ruckman in support.

This is radical I know but I would seriously consider giving our 2 1st round picks to Collingwod to get Grundy who has 5 years left on his contract and Collingwod looking for a salary cap dump.

[Blood Fever]

I agree that what we do at trade is very important. It has been obvious for 2 years at least that against the better sides we don't get enough ball out of centre bounces. This was brutally exposed yesterday.

Hickey had run out of gas and needs another quality ruckman in support.

This is radical I know but I would seriously consider giving our 2 1st round picks to Collingwod to get Grundy who has 5 years left on his contract and Collingwod looking for a salary cap dump.

Centre bounce clearances always been an achilles heel. Hard to blame our backline yesterday with the way the ball entered their forward line. Also, our forwards were given little chance. Buddy got the bronx cheer in the last quarter but he and the other forwards got little clean ball. Cats were sensational in every facet of the game.

[707]

I agree that what we do at trade is very important. It has been obvious for 2 years at least that against the better sides we don't get enough ball out of centre bounces. This was brutally exposed yesterday.

Hickey had run out of gas and needs another quality ruckman in support.

This is radical I know but I would seriously consider giving our 2 1st round picks to Collingwod to get Grundy who has 5 years left on his contract and Collingwod looking for a salary cap dump.

1. You don't need to give two firsts to get Grundy, Pies are desperate to sell
2. Grundy will not leave Melbourne, has stated that
3. Ladhams is already on our books, is young, got Brownlow votes in a couple of games despite limited senior appearances.
4. It's never as good as it seems, it's never as bad as it seems