2023 List Management

[barry]

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If we do manage to recruit Himmelberg, then we can play him forward.

The way the Giants players are bonding around Toby and Kingsley, I doubt himmelberg is gettable

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Interesting and optimistic thought. I reckon that he lacks the necessary athleticism and speed to be a key defender.

I likewise doubt McLean could be turned into a key defender, but I've been wrong before. Now before anyone notes he had more than a dozen hitouts this week - it was against HarryH, who I admire as a swingman - but not as a ruck.

I haven't noticed Gould being quick as well.

Ditto ++
It's such an odd claim I didn't know what to do with it - reminds me of an argument I had on RWO with someone that was extolling Tony Armstrong's quickness of foot.

[The Big Cat]

Time for the return of the Crayfish. 24 possies today against GWS.

[Maltopia]

Why don’t we just draft half forwards as we stick all our midfielders there, eg Bell, Gus, Roberts, Sheather, Roberts…

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Why don’t we just draft half forwards as we stick all our midfielders there, eg Bell, Gus, Roberts, Sheather, Roberts…

You forgot Chad Warner, his first two games were in starvatation corner, they were so bad it had many RWOers wondering whether he could be turned into a tagger or a back pocket.

It mightn't be such an issue if Horse allowed a wider midfield rotation than he does, the CBA figues always show 4 mids (plus a ruck) dominating those. Other teams spread the load far more broadly. I wonder whether Horse's integrity (which we admire) and conservatism (which can be a bit of a drag) aren't two sides of the same coin.

[Maltopia]

You forgot Chad Warener, his first two games were in starvatation corner, they were so bad it had many BRWOers wondering whether he could be turned into a tagger or a back pocket.

It mightn't be such an issue if Horse allowed a wider midfield rotation than he does, the CBA figues always show 4 mids (plus a ruck) dominating those. Other teams spread the load far more broadly. I wonder whether Horse's integrity (which we admire) and conservatism (which can be a bit of a drag) aren't two sides of the same coin.

This is a coaching issue then rather than a list management issue.

Maybe our midfield would not be outrun in the fourth quarter if we had more rotations of players through there when the game was not absolutely on the line.

Gus could have attended a few CBA when we were up 2-4 goals and before we were desperately trying to stop a sinking ship and needing our most experienced (but tired) players to win the ball.

[rb4x]

These issues makes me almost happy that we did not draft Serong. Horse would have tried to make him into a forward pocket rather than the gun midfielder that he is.

[Ludwig]

I too would like to see Sheldrick play on ball more. The problem is less about who plays on ball, but rather who does not? If Sheldrick plays in the midfield, then who goes out of our usual midfield to play half forward, or on the wing? We have lots of candidate for the midfield.

For those who say 'so and so should play midfield', I suggest you take our list of mids and say where you want to play each of them. We are already trying to fit in Parker, Warner, Rowbottom and Mills, plus CBAs from Gulden and Papley. Heeney often plays on ball at stoppages. So whose place does Sheldrick take?

[Roadrunner]

I too would like to see Sheldrick play on ball more. The problem is less about who plays on ball, but rather who does not? If Sheldrick plays in the midfield, then who goes out of our usual midfield to play half forward, or on the wing? We have lots of candidate for the midfield.

For those who say 'so and so should play midfield', I suggest you take our list of mids and say where you want to play each of them. We are already trying to fit in Parker, Warner, Rowbottom and Mills, plus CBAs from Gulden and Papley. Heeney often plays on ball at stoppages. So whose place does Sheldrick take?

Easy- it should be Parks. Yes, he was very good against the Giants, but he can play an excellent forward role and rotate with the key mids: Mills, Warner, Rowie and Errol. Paps should rotate as needed and apparently he decides when he is needed there. Isaac needs to spend most of the time up forward where he is difficult to match up on. So Gus to play midfield- then there is Ryan Clarke if we need to tag. Horse, please give up playing kids in the graveyard: it is totally counterproductive and pointless for the team! Furthermore, at some stage we need to send Campbell to midfield as well!

I think Ludwig’s idea of trying McLean down back in Paddy’s role has merit- he is a decent mark and we don’t have much to lose as he is not good enough as a forward. When big Tom returns, the 2nd ruck will be Ladhams. Desperate for a top KPP for next year for sure.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

It mightn't be such an issue if Horse allowed a wider midfield rotation than he does, the CBA figues always show 4 mids (plus a ruck) dominating those. Other teams spread the load far more broadly.

This week our CBA figures were
Parker 80%
Warner 80%
Rowbottom 70%
Mills "only" attended 48% - mainly because he was an extra defender for most of the game.
Sheldrick attended 1 centre bounce - it's possible he got lost

Meanwhile our currant nemesis has a far more even spread of centre bounce attendees, as you'd expect PaddyD has the most - but he only attends 67% of centre bounces.

You could argue that the Cats have a larger roster of CBA cabable mids - but I'd suggest they only achieved that by having more players get senior experience there. Something Sheldrick (and before him Warner) are not going to get when they are exiled to starvation corner.

[Maltopia]

I too would like to see Sheldrick play on ball more. The problem is less about who plays on ball, but rather who does not? If Sheldrick plays in the midfield, then who goes out of our usual midfield to play half forward, or on the wing? We have lots of candidate for the midfield.

For those who say 'so and so should play midfield', I suggest you take our list of mids and say where you want to play each of them. We are already trying to fit in Parker, Warner, Rowbottom and Mills, plus CBAs from Gulden and Papley. Heeney often plays on ball at stoppages. So whose place does Sheldrick take?

It would be a start just if each of Parker, Warner and RB attended one less CBA each in the last game and Sheldrick had four. I am not saying he is ready for 70% CBA, but one from 37 (33 goal restarts and four quarter starts)?!?

How is he to get used to the pace of the AFL midfield if he gets one CBA a match?

[Ludwig]

It would be a start just if each of Parker, Warner and RB attended one less CBA each in the last game and Sheldrick had four. I am not saying he is ready for 70% CBA, but one from 37 (33 goal restarts and four quarter starts)?!?

How is he to get used to the pace of the AFL midfield if he gets one CBA a match?

I like that. I too think Sheldrick should gradually build more on ball time.

[stevoswan]

I too would like to see Sheldrick play on ball more. The problem is less about who plays on ball, but rather who does not? If Sheldrick plays in the midfield, then who goes out of our usual midfield to play half forward, or on the wing? We have lots of candidate for the midfield.

For those who say 'so and so should play midfield', I suggest you take our list of mids and say where you want to play each of them. We are already trying to fit in Parker, Warner, Rowbottom and Mills, plus CBAs from Gulden and Papley. Heeney often plays on ball at stoppages. So whose place does Sheldrick take?

We have a lot of midfirlders as you allude to so an obvious solution is to rotate more of them through the midfield.....as the ones they do seem to be knackered at the end of the game when it's there to be won. We have been running out of puff when the heats on.

[Roadrunner]

We have a lot of midfirlders as you allude to so an obvious solution is to rotate more of them through the midfield.....as the ones they do seem to be knackered at the end of the game when it's there to be won. We have been running out of puff when the heats on.

No excuse for running out of puff when we have so many options- it’s more likely a mental thing coupled with inexperience and a lapse in concentration. A lot of the play is between the ears and I do think quite a few of our boys are a bit down on confidence this year. It shows in our kicking for goal- too many near misses! And missing targets as well- they have shown they have the ability but are too inconsistent!

[Jimitron5000]

2023 List Management

Article in The Age today says we are looking at Oscar McDonald. Decent player and could be very useful given our injuries.
It also says there is a chance that Rampe and P McCartin might not play again this year. Eeeek.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/saint-jade-in-high-demand-broad-s-big-call-looms-at-tigers-oscar-mcdonald-back-on-afl-radar-20230501-p5d4mf.html