2023 List Management

[Nico]

When Lockett was kicking for goal he held the ball in position straight away and aimed dead centre. None of this spinning the ball in the hands a dozen times. Braeden Campbell does the same, with no mucking around and he kicks straight at the middle of the goals. We see in so many games where the balls goes exactly in the direction of where the player runs. Hickey's second miss was a perfect example. He ran in a straight line to the points and that's where it went.

[Auntie.Gerald]

I’m not against tennis players bouncing the ball prior to a serve

I’m not against a basketballer bouncing the ball prior to a set shot

I’m not against a net baller baller faking a couple times before shooting

Same again with the spinning of the ball in the hands of an AFL player prior to kicking of the ball

I’m not against a golfer practice taking a unique or predictable practice swing prior to driving off a a tee

It’s all about centering yourself into a state of execution

Calm
Centered
In flow state
Predictable
Execute

They all do it differently

Some better than others

[Dow]

He is getting 3-5 shots on goal and jumping at every marking contest

No one loves the bloke more than me but call it for what it is, underperforming.

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That wasnt at you Dow, i agree with you

Underperforming is the best way to put it

[Scottee]

It's lack of concentration. Heeney & Hickey used to both be very precise. I think someone is stuffing around with their ball hold. The way that players prefer to hold the ball is generally accepted as ok if their goal kicking is good. But if it isn't then generally there is a reason and then ball hold, ball drop (affected by ball hold), and kicking straight through the ball are important. I would rather a player faulted and readjusted than kick at a wayward ball drop.

Don't believe players have got routine down pat by the time they get to this level. McKay and King are good examples of players who got the tops because their routine was changed. Changing routines takes all balance away from a player who's routine was good

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When you look at the follow through of the kicks, they were both aiming at the points. Really basic stuff.

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[liz]

When you look at the follow through of the kicks, they were both aiming at the points. Really basic stuff.

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I don't think it's that basic. There was a decent breeze blowing across the ground from west to east. It particularly affected kicking towards the Paddington end as there is a gap between the Members' Stand and the MA Noble.

##Geelong were kicking to that end in the final quarter, and you can see Hawkins aim at the left hand goal post and allow the breeze to pull the ball through the goals, and you can see Rohan (who is one of the most reliable straight kickers at goal) aim straight towards the middle of the goal, only to see the wind drag the ball to the right for a behind.

I am pretty sure it was the first quarter - when the Swans were kicking to that end - that Heeney hit the two behind posts on the full (from separate shots). I am a little less certain of this, but I think he hit the right hand post with the first shot and the left hand post with the second. Neither was a particularly fluent kick, but I suspect he overcompensated with the second for the wind as well as slightly miskicking.

None of that excuses how collectively bad the team was with its conversion (and doesn't let Hickey off the hook for his awful misses, or Fox for running into the open goal and kicking into the post), but it wasn't as simple as just aiming at the middle of the goal from 30+m out.


## I have to credit my O'Reilly Stand neighbour (who I think occasionally reads RWO but isn't a signed up poster) who, as Hawkins was lining up, said that Hawkins needed to aim at the left hand post (which he did). And when Rohan didn't do the same a short time later, we exchanged a look of relieved "told you so-ness".

[Thunder Shaker]

I don't think it's that basic. There was a decent breeze blowing across the ground from west to east. It particularly affected kicking towards the Paddington end as there is a gap between the Members' Stand and the MA Noble.

##Geelong were kicking to that end in the final quarter, and you can see Hawkins aim at the left hand goal post and allow the breeze to pull the ball through the goals, and you can see Rohan (who is one of the most reliable straight kickers at goal) aim straight towards the middle of the goal, only to see the wind drag the ball to the right for a behind.

Scores towards Paddington end: Sydney 2.9, Geelong 2.5, total 4.14. (22%)
Scores towards Randwick end: Sydney 4.9, Geelong 5.7, total 9.16. (36%)

(Shots that went out of bounds not counted.)

When we recruit players this year, we should consider players that know enough meteorology and physics to allow for the wind when predicting the path of the ball in flight. The club should schedule a few training sessions at the SCG in windy weather. Another idea is creating a scale model of the SCG, placing it in a wind tunnel and letting the players observe the path of the wind with smoke streamers near the goals when the wind blows from different directions.

[KTigers]

My understanding is the club have run a series of sessions designed to help the players gauge the wind and how it will
effect the trajectory of their shots at goal. It involves picking a few blades of grass up and tossing them into the air and
watching which direction they fly off in. It's not a foolproof method clearly but it's great to see the club respect the old
traditions of footy. It's not all about winning after all.

[Ludwig]

Several journos have pointed out the dramatic drop in goal kicking form of Christian Petracca this year. It sounds about the same as Heeney. Nearly all players have form inconsistencies, some rather dramatic. Heeney and Petracca both seem to be going through similar down periods this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see both recover and return to good form. Jest a matter of when.

[Ludwig]

A plaudit for Jack Silvagni from Garry Lyon:
“How can you not play him?”: AFL great questions C

If we don't get Himmelberg, I would take a serious look at Silvagni, who is a FA this year. He's underappreciated at Carlton. Longmire should like him. He's so competitive.

[Maltopia]

A plaudit for Jack Silvagni from Garry Lyon:
“How can you not play him?”: AFL great questions C

If we don't get Himmelberg, I would take a serious look at Silvagni, who is a FA this year. He's underappreciated at Carlton. Longmire should like him. He's so competitive.

I agree re this, in fact to channel TheBloods, I think I was first to suggest JS here as a really good recruitment option for us, just after his VFL game against us.

He can play as a tall forward, pinch hit in the ruck, and also was strong in defence against us in the VFL game.

[707]

Silvagni plays where and in place of who?

Close to list clogger status, although I appreciate he gives 100% all the time. Not sure he raises the talent level here.

[Ludwig]

Silvagni plays where and in place of who?

Close to list clogger status, although I appreciate he gives 100% all the time. Not sure he raises the talent level here.

Silvagni can play forward and pinch hit in the ruck, but I think the best position for his is in defence.

We may lose both McCartin brothers. Tom may be one concussion away from being in the same place as his brother. So we are very vulnerable down back. We need to recruit someone. I would prefer Silvagni to TDK, for example.

[Auntie.Gerald]

I think "list clogging" can used a little liberally without thinking through how a player might be used to help our team function effectively

I agree JS is borderline but does have upside immediately when injuries strike

ie if a ky position player is brought in as a short term solution.... to get us functionally through the next season.... until our real target is available and value for money for a role required then this has value for our team depth and selections.

We have made some fairly ordinary recruitments over the years (in amongst some amazing guys like Paps, Rampe, Lloyd etc) that could be called 'list clogging" but i dont think JS is a list clogger if brought in for 2 seasons at a very reasonable price

He might want to get away from the whole Blues SOS thing also for a while and come to the Harbour City......surf in your lunch break.......hike in the Blue Mountains on a weekend

JS below this season

Jack Silvagni - AFL Round 16 2023 Highlights - YouTube

I think he is in the mix as a minimum and would probably suit the in and under smaller SCG bash bash for the ball

[Maltopia]

Silvagni can play forward and pinch hit in the ruck, but I think the best position for his is in defence.

We may lose both McCartin brothers. Tom may be one concussion away from being in the same place as his brother. So we are very vulnerable down back. We need to recruit someone. I would prefer Silvagni to TDK, for example.

I think he would be good in defence too. The challenge would be convincing him to play defence more often, as I understand he didn’t want the comparisons with full-back-of-the-century-dad (what a monkey on your back that would be) as a reason for why he has been playing as a forward mostly.

[Roadrunner]

I think he would be good in defence too. The challenge would be convincing him to play defence more often, as I understand he didn’t want the comparisons with full-back-of-the-century-dad (what a monkey on your back that would be) as a reason for why he has been playing as a forward mostly.

Good point Mal- it would be almost impossible to measure up to his dad but in fairness I’ve always considered JS a very versatile and talented player and would be a great addition to our team. Don’t know how old he is but Robbie Fox is around 30 so he could fill a very similar role. I’d be thrilled if he wanted to join us.