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I like it, it’s just that Nortths would be crazy to pick swap etc up to pick 2 when there is absolutely no need and they can just flip us a 3/4 rounder. Francis is getting a new contract according to Cal Towmey and Ladhams has one more year to run, Wicks I don’t know and the rest very likely to be delistedComment
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There's something seriously wrong with the formula if players of that ilk are deemed worthy of the top tier of compensation.
I suspect the problem is that the AFL uses current average (whether that's mean or median) wages to plug into their formula, while the contracts that free agents are being offered at the moment factors in the imminent major increase in the cap. But it would be a pretty easy problem to solve if the AFL were interested in doing so.
Looking at Josh Battle, he was taken at pick 39 in 2016 and St Kilda are now getting pick 8, after he played around 120 games for them. Taken before him in that draft, were a couple of guys who didn't play any games and half a dozen who were delisted after playing less than twenty. There's a few others who were working out quite well, but have retired through chronic injuries. But of course, there's absolutely no suggestion that clubs should be compensated for draft picks that didn't work out. Whereas, they get compensation for picks that worked out pretty well, until a player decides to leave. Which seems a bit odd?
There's been a fair amount of talk, about how it might actually be some sort of equalisation measure or that it's a way of protecting less powerful clubs from more cashed up and powerful clubs. Which could quite easily be the case, but I'm not really sure if that makes much sense either? That is, if powerful clubs lure away players before they reach free agency, then they have to give up their own draft picks or players in trades. Whereas, if they wait until free agency, they don't have to give up anything of their own. While that may encourage the more affluent club to wait a year or two, before chasing a desired player, in the long run it actually seems to act more as an incentive to lure players away.
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The compo pick is a reasonable form or equalization, which often works out well, but not always.
In the case of Josh Battle, we have what seems like a trade value of around pick 20, but gives a team like STK a chance to rebuild its midfield.
In the case of Buddy Franklin, Hawthorn got shafted with pick 19 compo, but they were already such a great team, they needed to be cut down a bit. They still went on t win 2 more premierships with Buddy.
The compo pick system hurts teams near the top to the table, like the Swans, who see their current draft hand devalued with picks inserted higher in the draft. That's why the Swans need can't let a player like Chad Warner get to free agency, because we would only get a late band 1 pick (assuming we stay near the top of the table).
All this makes list management all that more nuanced and difficult.
We have to sacrifice some mature depth to keep refreshing the list and create salary cap space to help retain stars in their prime.
With Caleb Mitchell winning our best VFL player award, we can add him, along with Sheldrick and Cleary, to our list of young that need more playing time, in a team where spots are hard to find. Another reason to try to unload Adams and Wicks, and why Parker had to go, as much as everyone loves what he's done for the Swans over the years.
Sorry for the typos, but editing my posts are difficult for me now that the preview and original text are not live on at the same time.Comment
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My mother had macular degeneration so I understand your struggles.👍 1Comment
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There's something seriously wrong with the formula if players of that ilk are deemed worthy of the top tier of compensation.
I suspect the problem is that the AFL uses current average (whether that's mean or median) wages to plug into their formula, while the contracts that free agents are being offered at the moment factors in the imminent major increase in the cap. But it would be a pretty easy problem to solve if the AFL were interested in doing so.Comment
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Just catching up everyone
had.a massive couple months at work doing my work and covered another key persons role………won’t be doing that again !!!!
ok so finally back to chatting footy and no doubt I have missed a lot of comments last couple of months.
For me……I’m comfortable our team and squad is in good shape.
we were hard to beat all year except a few games which is an amazing season.
There was also incredibly tough decisions made through out 2024 with key players like Luke and Patch and even Mills missing the GF.
i do sense that some of new players in the last draft will feature in 2025 ie Caiden, Indhi, Patrick and maybe young Tom will all contribute. Will be interesting to witness their development and how much they impact the Snr team.
we had Brodie, Patch and JJ feature heavily in 2024.
so on that basis a successful recruitment period was end of 2023, which was icing on the cake to enable our team to be very competitive.
There is no doubt with Luke leaving that will enable dollars to feed back in to the forward contracts of McDonald, Errol, Hayward etc etc
do we need to go again with a trade of significance and or trade out?
key defender ?
trade out Patch?
trade in another mid 20s player in contested work or does the midfield emergence of Heeney and Mills now have that covered ?
im generally happy enough with our forward lines but u could argue another strike tall that can kick goals never goes astray ?
"be tough, only when it gets tough"
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Vickery, Arnold and Magor delisted: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAw3j3jJ...RscnpnOTRndw==.
With Vickery and Magor going, will still haven’t found the successor to Harry Cunningham, who's done a quite effective job of being the successor to Nick Smith. Just quietly, I wouldn't mind giving Wicks a crack. I suspect he'd relish the role of driving an opposition forward bat@@@@ crazy. He's quick, agile and likes to tackle. And I think he may have done the occasional tagging role in the NEAFL, when he first started out. Although, the main drawback would be he might give away a few silly free kicks in a costly position. But still, the competitive nature of the battles would probably be attention grabbing.Comment
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Vickery, Arnold and Magor delisted: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAw3j3jJ...RscnpnOTRndw==.Comment
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I was also a bit surprised about Arnold as well. Thought it might be Kostanty instead. But I had also heard the injury was pretty bad, so suspect they've made a call that he is high risk going forward injury wise."You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."Comment
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The compo pick system hurts teams near the top to the table, like the Swans, who see their current draft hand devalued with picks inserted higher in the draft. That's why the Swans need can't let a player like Chad Warner get to free agency, because we would only get a late band 1 pick (assuming we stay near the top of the table).
Free agency creates draft picks out of nothing, which cause all later picks to slide down. This hurts all 16 clubs not involved in the deal, not just top clubs. This is going to be more problematic next year when the draft value for picks is going to be reduced significantly.
A particular point of contention for me are the end-of-round compensation picks. They are useless for top and bottom clubs because they could be the same picks as picks in the previous round (top club) or next round (bottom club).
Free agency needs an overhaul, but nothing will change as long as Victorian clubs are the main beneficiaries of free first-round picks, even accounting for the majority of clubs being based in Victoria. It's supposed to be a national competition.
Some changes that should be made:
* Get rid of the end-of-round compensation picks. Replace them with a pick half way between the corresponding picks. (Example: team with pick 4 would have their end-of-round pick inserted at pick 14 - ten places later, subject to adjustments.)
* Prohibit contract shenanigans such as front-ending and back-ending to inflate the value of the compensation picks.
Though if I had my way, I would make more fundamental changes by making the free agent go through the draft. (Someone else suggested something like this first, I forget who, but I have embellished this with some details):
* Free agent goes to the draft.
* If the free agent is bid on at the draft, the destination club can match the bid with a 20% discount. The club on the draft clock can then draft again. The original player's club receives the next pick in the draft as a compensation pick. The original player's club cannot pick the free agent. If multiple free agents are bid on at the same pick, the compensation picks will be in the same order as the bids.
* If the free agent is still in the draft at the end of the third round, they leave the draft and can be signed as a player without draft paperwork. No compensation picks are given to the original club.
* If the destination club declines to match the bid, the club bidding for the free agent gets the player and the original club has the next bid.
Advantages:
* No need for a complex formula for compensation picks.
* The club receiving the free agent pays for the compensation pick instead of 16 other clubs.
* No restriction on contract terms are needed.
* Imposes a natural limit on the number of free agents that a club can gain in a single season. With the current system, it's possible that one club can abuse the free agency rules and recruit several players in one year, as North Melbourne did by abusing the 10-year rule in the 1970s."Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi finalComment
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Need to adopt NBA style trade
Length of contract, your current club can offer you Max 5yrs, another club only 4yrs
Salary maxes are dependent on years service, I.e. 7yrs plus can get a 10% of the salary cap, 4yr player only 6% etc
They brings everyone into line and gives the current club max leverage.
Current system is a joke, Shai Bolton after 3 flags and 4yrs left on a deal wants to go home as with all the other Richmonds flag playersComment
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I think with Kostanty, we’re probably hanging on in case we can snare a (late) pick for him.Comment
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I suspect there are a few others that clubs have shown an interest in, so we are waiting for this week for any possible trades. Just because a player hasn't been delisted now, it doesn't mean they won't be.Comment
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