2024 List Management

[KSAS]

Thanks, Liz. Is this based on if your 1st round pick slips back past 18 due to matching bids on F/S & Academy picks?

Just heard Luke Parker interviewed on SEN. Thinks he can get 3 years more out of his body. Was uncertain of his future at the club next year. Thought he'd be a one club player. Even though he's returning to Vic, Sydney has been more his home.

Was very nervous yesterday & thought trade might not happen at one stage, with the awkwardness of maybe returning after the emotional farewell at the B&F.

Doesn't think club will be scarred after another big GF loss & thought they'd prepared best they could from their learnings of 2022. Is expecting to play a mid-forward role at North, which naturally he's looking forward to.

Thinks Konstanty can make it as a high pressure small forward at North, as injuries has hampered him up to now. Needs injury free pre-season.

[Ludwig]

I see that McAndrew has been delisted, as I suggested earlier. I think 4 rruckmen would be excessive, especially when Grundy is one of them and the other 2 a re quality backups. We also have several forwards who do areasonable job in the ruck.

Mitchell and Hanley given another year.

So that leaves 6 open spots. I don't bother with categories anymore, because they've just become technicalities which can easily be overcome.

Given our draft hand, I think there is a good chance that we will pick up a DFA. There is the question of where Cochran will go in the draft anbd if he will find himself on our main list or rookie list.

It's hard to say what kind of player we will be looking with our first round picks. We really don't have any deficiencies that can be solved with a draft pick. I would be looking for a tall utility. I sulk about the 2022 draft because, Josh Weddle is the kind of player that could help us, although it has been said by some that he was a Mummy's Boy and wouldn't leave Melbourne.

Mummyboyism seems to be an Australian problem and doesn't afflict other nations. Some U.S. baseball players get traded twice in one season, so have 3 homes in just 6 months. They have 24 hours to move to their new club. There was one player who traded to the opposition club during the first game of a double-header. Between games, he changed uniforms and lined up for the other side. I hope some Australian lab is working on a Mummyboyism vaccine. We really need it.

[mcs]

We have had such mixed success (putting it nicely) at getting 1st round draft picks right over the years, we should just put a few names in the hat and draw one out at random.

A ready to go small forward would be lovely - but very unlikely. But we've just got right of one of those that we took with a first round pick, so would seem very unlikely we'd go down that path again haha!

[Thunder Shaker]

Both are considered "first round picks" for the purposes of that rule, even if they slip into the early 20s in terms of actual pick.

Picks 19 and 22 are before the first pick in the second round, which is currently pick 24. Therefore, they are first-round picks.

The first round of last year's draft went to pick 29 due to a large number of additional selections. Gold Coast alone had four extra picks due to Academy bids.

[imuninformedtwo]

Caleb and parks no comparison Both p/s players yes but daniels was gifted to Bulldogs. Why are most afl clubs and the afl itself against us. We pay for our academy (does any other team ),NGA s so teams pay any money for these thru the years or just let them look over the facilities and maybe attend a couple of training sessions (eg dons with kato). And yes the afl is bringing in changs next year for academy players as regards drafting, but inproving the lot of clubs chasing nga kids like jamarra HH )bulldogs)
As for the swans forget about coaches maybe we should be chasing hard nosed recruiters who know how to haggle for their club like adrian dedoro ex dons.

Dodoro? He’s a stone cold moron central to Essendon’s ongoing misery.

Let’s take two recent examples. They wanted Dunkley and he wanted to go there. A two-way, hard, professional player - exactly what that club needed. They just had to go two first rounds and it was done. Dodoro refused. Brisbane paid up and he went there the next year.

We offered him 5&9 for Daniher. He said no, wanted a player. The next year Daniher walks as a free agent and they get pick 7 only. (And none of the three top ten picks they had that year have yet to do anything).

Arguably, the only premiership list Dodoro helped build was Brisbane.

[Maltopia]

With our first round pick history, I think we should swap our two picks into three picks in the 30s and a future second/third.

We are very good with late 2nd rounders and deeper in t he draft.

Less pain for us when we stuff up yet again (or have injuries), eg Cooper, Konstanty, Ling, Stephens and potentially Sheldrick if he keeps getting injured.

[SexyMachine]

Thing we need hard working players, mentally tough players and potential future leaders that’s what we need if it’s the draft we need these characteristics

[Velour&Ruffles]

Dodoro? He’s a stone cold moron central to Essendon’s ongoing misery.

Let’s take two recent examples. They wanted Dunkley and he wanted to go there. A two-way, hard, professional player - exactly what that club needed. They just had to go two first rounds and it was done. Dodoro refused. Brisbane paid up and he went there the next year.

We offered him 5&9 for Daniher. He said no, wanted a player. The next year Daniher walks as a free agent and they get pick 7 only. (And none of the three top ten picks they had that year have yet to do anything).

Arguably, the only premiership list Dodoro helped build was Brisbane.

Great comment. The Dons' time as a laughing stock coincides almost exactly with his role there. Coincidence?

[Velour&Ruffles]

With our first round pick history, I think we should swap our two picks into three picks in the 30s and a future second/third.

We are very good with late 2nd rounders and deeper in t he draft.

Less pain for us when we stuff up yet again (or have injuries), eg Cooper, Konstanty, Ling, Stephens and potentially Sheldrick if he keeps getting injured.

Yep, but our record of urinating first round picks up against the wall goes back far further than those few - it feels like forever. Remember Jed Lamb, Lewis Johnston, Patrick Vezpremi, Josh Willoughby, Daniel O'Keefe .... and I could go back further. Logan McDonald isn't a bust but the only other ones we've actually got right have been our academy picks.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Just pick vic metro players going forward

[liz]

Yep, but our record of urinating first round picks up against the wall goes back far further than those few - it feels like forever. Remember Jed Lamb, Lewis Johnston, Patrick Vezpremi, Josh Willoughby, Daniel O'Keefe .... and I could go back further. Logan McDonald isn't a bust but the only other ones we've actually got right have been our academy picks.

Florent hasn’t been a bust. Not a superstar but a solid player.

Jones wasn’t really a bust either in the sense he has been able to play senior footy over an extended period. I’d rate him as a less desirable player than Florent, and of course he left us, but still not a bust.

[Velour&Ruffles]

Florent hasn’t been a bust. Not a superstar but a solid player.

Jones wasn’t really a bust either in the sense he has been able to play senior footy over an extended period. I’d rate him as a less desirable player than Florent, and of course he left us, but still not a bust.

Yep, fair calls. Ollie gets a comfortable pass (about a B/B+). Jones did too (B/B-), while he remained with us. I forgot about him.

[Nico]

Any thoughts on Krueger from Collingwood who has been delisted. 25yo big unit that could develop into a key defender.

[KTigers]

Does it really matter who we draft if all they are going to do is spend a few years in the system, training and whatnot, taking up space
in the gym and the car park, just so they can get to the GF and promptly take the afternoon off. Sorry, still smarting about our latest MCG
debacle.

[crackedactor 01]

Yes, that 2022 draft doesn't make good reading. There's only Mitchell left, who might make a decent AFL level winger. Although I think there's some excuses for Konstanty, as almost his entire time with us was spent recovering from injuries. Which I guess means that he could still come good, but unfortunately at North. But since it seems that he was valued as an upgrade from pick 62 to 44, I suspect that we were going to delist him, rather than rating him as being worth an extra year or two.

Of the others, Vickery never really looked like making the grade, so I'm not really sure what the recruiters saw in him? Magor was a reasonable punt late in the rookie draft, as he was pretty skilful and I wouldn't have been surprised if he was given another year on the rookie list. While the other player that we took in that rookie draft, Owen, always looked pretty terrible. So, not a great haul.

I'd probably keep McAndrew. I think his ruck work and defensive efforts are better than Ladhams, even if some other aspects of his game have been frustratingly slow to develop. And I think the lack of opportunity for Green, was probably a result of our ruckmen being surprisingly healthy last year. I mean, I'm sure that in times past, we've had four or five ruckmen on the list and they've all been injured at the one time. So, it just needs a normal rate of injuries or Ladhams getting a lengthy suspension, and Green will have plenty of opportunity.

Which, unless I'm forgetting someone, means that we just have three main list vacancies. So perhaps we just use picks 19 and 22, then match a bid on Cochran and forget about taking someone late from the open draft? Although it might be possible to take a player with pick 44, if a bid doesn't come for Cochran, then hope he slips through to the rookie draft? Which might be possible, since none of the draft experts are talking him up. Although personally, I think he'd be a bargain at 44.

Now that that's all starting to seem a bit messy to me, I'm wondering if Francis has been given a new contract, and if not, could an extra list spot be created by delisting him? Although, I actually quite like Francis and I'm not entirely convinced that we'd get someone better with a late pick.

Ugghh, list management is so confusing and I really don't envy the people who are paid to do it.

You can't compare Green to the other two. Green is still a kid learning his trade.