Trade target discussion (merged thread)

[Mug Punter]

The AFL have already come out and said that this type of trading won't be allowed. They basically said that if the points you were receiving for your early pick/s was more than 200 higher than your original pick/s that it wouldn't be allowed to go through.

Fair enough but if we got a deal to gain 150 points or so wouldn't be a bad thing...

[Mug Punter]

The Dees now have picks 6,29,46, 50 and 64

They have brought in Melksham and Kennedy and have lost Howe and Toumpas. I can see them going massively for midfield depth this draft to beef up the depth whilst still going tp the draft well.

If they were to offer us picks 50 and 64 for Bird and Robbo that would be 374 points which I think would be fair.

So they go inot 2016 with Melksham, Kennedy, Petracca back from unjury, Bird and Robbo plus three decent draft picks.

[WauchopeAnalyst]

The AFL have already come out and said that this type of trading won't be allowed. They basically said that if the points you were receiving for your early pick/s was more than 200 higher than your original pick/s that it wouldn't be allowed to go through.

Why not? Either you have a trade period or another manipulative rule to stop the academy kids for Sydney, GWS, GCS & Lions to go to their clubs. Trades are trades and its up to the clubs. Why stop getting points with LOWER picks. We are giving other clubs to have better picks and allowing them to be better as well.

The Triad have us covered again!!! ????????????

[Mug Punter]

Why not? Either you have a trade period or another manipulative rule to stop the academy kids for Sydney, GWS, GCS & Lions to go to their clubs. Trades are trades and its up to the clubs. Why stop getting points with LOWER picks. We are giving other clubs to have better picks and allowing them to be better as well.

The Triad have us covered again!!! ????????????

Paranioa on here really amuses me at times......

It's not stopping us getting it just provides some guidlines when you are doing a straight swap pick with no players involved and I'd imagine it applies to all clubs....

[churry]

Scrap that last comment, can't rdit on mobile. Carlton are apparently into Kerridge.

[Levii3]

Has Courtenay Dempsey re-signed with the bombers?

Talia is apparently having a medical with us today

[Mug Punter]

Has Courtenay Dempsey re-signed with the bombers?

Talia is apparently having a medical with us today

Predicting it will be for a future pick

[ScottH]

Looks like we might get Talia.

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[Ludwig]

The AFL have already come out and said that this type of trading won't be allowed. They basically said that if the points you were receiving for your early pick/s was more than 200 higher than your original pick/s that it wouldn't be allowed to go through.

I have not heard of this, but not saying that this is not the case. I understand that there may be ways to manipulate this sort of trade if it involves a free agency compo pick that you want to add compensation to in order to avoid an open market trade, but can't see why it shouldn't be allowed in a full open market situation.

There are so many trades done for phantom or non market compensation that the AFL let go through without a blink. Why can't a club that finds itself with a load of late round draft picks that it may not even be able to use (sometimes clubs don't even use picks in the 40s) trade them for a high pick that is can use? Why shouldn't a club be allowed to trade picks 50,51, 52, 53 and 54 in exchange for a pick 17, especially is a club were not going to use those later picks?

There's a further point that the AFL assumes that the value points schedule which was established for the bidding system is real fair value in trading situations, which it was not designed for. We all know that the key design requirement was that we pay the maximum for Mills and Dunkley. They'll probably scrap the thing after this year.

[crackedactor]

Just read in the Age newspaper that Michael Talia is currently having a medical with the Swans staff. Wonder what can we do regarding a deal for him? Maybe Bird to the bulldogs in a swap?

[707]

Usual Swans, quietly go about their trading. Be nice if this happens as he shouldn't cost too much. Next years third rounder or let him slip through as a delisted FA.

[Levii3]

Just read in the Age newspaper that Michael Talia is currently having a medical with the Swans staff. Wonder what can we do regarding a deal for him? Maybe Bird to the bulldogs in a swap?

More likely to be a future third or forth round pick than a player

[Scottee]

I wonder if he is really rated top 5, or rather, would he be if he weren't tied to an academy. I realise that he showed what he could do last year, and won AA selection. But he's missed practically the whole of 2015 to injury. And not a collision injury either. He's had a series of structural / overwork injuries.

Lever was rated as a probable top 3 pick for 2014 off the back of his 2013, as an under aged player. But he then missed the whole of 2014 with an ACL and landed up being picked at around pick 14.

Clem Smith's name was also being thrown around as a possible number 1 pick last year a year out from his draft, on the back of earning AA selection as an under aged player. But he didn't repeat this the following year. Reading Quayle's latest book gives a fascinating insight into the challenges he had to deal with, both from a fitness perspective and off-field. I don't know a huge amount about Mills' background but the fact he hails from Sydney's lower north shore and was friends with Pridham's son certainly suggest he's grown up in a far more privileged environment than someone like Smith. But as with Lever, there's a huge amount of guesswork involved evaluating a player who's not played all year. If he were truly to be drafted in an open draft, I suspect he would fall to somewhere between 6 and 12, just based on the risk attached to him (and his body). But of course, he won't be evaluated in the same way as every other player because clubs will be anxious to ensure no academy club gets too big a bargain. Heeney's not helped matters by having such a good debut season. They won't want the Swans to get two good-uns at heavy discounts in consecutive years.

I doubt the Brisbane academy players will receive inflated bids. Clubs will bid for them where they are worth. Even while other clubs are raiding the Lions for their unsettled younger players, they are almost certainly feeling a little guilty about it. We have to hope that other clubs are more fearful about the long term consequences of the Giants' academy zone and decide to make GWS pay for Hopper before they make us pay for Mills, even if it is just one pick. I doubt they feel so guilty about raiding the Giants' list than the Lions because of the sheer number of high draft picks the Giants were given.

If you look at it from the point of view of the list managers from the other clubs there are a lot of risks associated with Mills.

The first is the go home factor. The second is the amount of time off in the last year. The third is the type of injury as you point out Liz.And backing that up is the comments about him in the Phantom Drafts which don't rate him highly in terms of his kicking or his speed.On top of that is the emergence of Hopper and others in contention for the top 5.

A risk management approach would suggest he is not top 3.An assessmemt of his attribites would probably do likewise.

In short he appears to be over rated and a very high pick for him would wreak of a vexatious bias.

[Dosser]

Reports that Carlisle is going to Saints for their number 5 pic and will receive 14 from us, etc. Same scenario as listed a page or two ago.

[bungwahl]

Reports that Carlisle is going to Saints for their number 5 pic and will receive 14 from us, etc. Same scenario as listed a page or two ago.

Tom Browne, who broke the story on Twitter, says Craig Bird is going to Essendon as part of the deal.