2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[longmile]

I don't really want Duryea. He is not the same as Langdon as he can't play tall. Duryea would struggle to get a game I reckon.

Agreed, I think O'Riordan would play his role better than him and is younger.

[Chookbilly]

St.Kildas Simon Lethlean - "Dan's a 200-game, three-time All Australian who has finished top five in the Brownlow three times."He's 27, he's an elite midfielder, which is what we've been looking for, and he'll bring great on-field and off-field leadership."

He's either trying to convince the St.Kilda supporter base that he is worth what they are about to give up (potentially more than has been touted), or he is gloating that he has pulled Sydney's pants down.

[Odysseus]

I know this is now somewhat off-topic:

Nope. Took the record previously held by Tom Lonergan (209 games) and is now 2 games clear

Thanks for the correction, goswannies. But can I check - is it a correct correction? What I've seen is:

" ...the record Sydney’s Nick Smith now shares with Geelong champion Tom Lonergan, for the most games played without polling a single Brownlow vote.

The pair both sit on 191 eligible games without polling." ( https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/bro...d2b-1539220253 - published after this year's Brownlow vote.)

[Markwebbos]

St.Kildas Simon Lethlean - "Dan's a 200-game, three-time All Australian who has finished top five in the Brownlow three times.[FONT="]"He's 27, he's an elite midfielder, which is what we've been looking for, and he'll bring great on-field and off-field leadership."

He's either trying to convince the St.Kilda supporter base that he is worth what they are about to give up (potentially more than has been touted), or he is gloating that he has pulled Sydney's pants down.


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I think he's talking to Saints supporters. But saying that implies more than a future second round draft pick. I wonder what we will get for Hanners, and whether it will be done today?

[Auntie.Gerald]

Does everyone feel that Ling and or Stoddart are ready and the answer for our left side HBF roles for 2019?

I am concerned that we wont have a left side as strong as our right with penetrating left foot kickers with run for 2019

My feeling is that they may contribute in 2019 but we also need another experienced player in the role of run carry left footed to have a faster narrower transition to our forwards on the left

[waswan]

Can see a 3 way
Bruce to Coll
Langdon to Syd
Hannas to Saints
Plus Pick swapping

[liz]

Can see a 3 way
Bruce to Coll
Langdon to Syd
Hannas to Saints
Plus Pick swapping

I'm not sure why Collingwood would want Bruce. The thing that most transformed their team in 2018 was the switch to a very quick, mobile forward line. And then the development of Cox gave them a single tall to structure around, albeit one not expected to kick as many goals as Riewoldt does in a similar structure at Richmond.

Where does Bruce fit into that, other than as depth? They still have Ben Reid on their list who, like the other Reid, may or may not be fit to play any football next season, but he is potentially an option. And then there's the chance that Elliott will also contribute. Although he's small, he's a very good overhead mark so complements the ground level players around him.

I guess they could play Bruce in defence, which remains their weakest area, particularly when it comes to key defenders. But not if they successfully get May, plus they would hope to have Moore back to help out next year.

[liz]

St.Kildas Simon Lethlean - "Dan's a 200-game, three-time All Australian who has finished top five in the Brownlow three times.[FONT="]"He's 27, he's an elite midfielder, which is what we've been looking for, and he'll bring great on-field and off-field leadership."

He's either trying to convince the St.Kilda supporter base that he is worth what they are about to give up (potentially more than has been touted), or he is gloating that he has pulled Sydney's pants down.


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I find the public comments made by St Kilda around Hannebery quite puzzling. Sure, they're not going to diss him, given they want to trade for him, but they've been pumping him up big time. At this stage he's still a Swans player, not a Saints player. Those comments from Lethlean certainly don't shout "he's worth a second round pick".

[caj23]

Does everyone feel that Ling and or Stoddart are ready and the answer for our left side HBF roles ?

I am concerned that we wont have a left side as strong as our right with penetrating left foot kickers with run for 2019

My feeling is that they may contribute in 2019 but we also need another experienced player in the role of run carry left footed to have a faster narrower transition to our forwards on the left

Ling was injured all season, and Stoddart despite getting a game or 2 looked a long way off it

So to answer your question, probably not

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I'm not sure why Collingwood would want Bruce. The thing that most transformed their team in 2018 was the switch to a very quick, mobile forward line. And then the development of Cox gave them a single tall to structure around, albeit one not expected to kick as many goals as Riewoldt does in a similar structure at Richmond.

Where does Bruce fit into that, other than as depth? They still have Ben Reid on their list who, like the other Reid, may or may not be fit to play any football next season, but he is potentially an option. And then there's the chance that Elliott will also contribute. Although he's small, he's a very good overhead mark so complements the ground level players around him.

I guess they could play Bruce in defence, which remains their weakest area, particularly when it comes to key defenders. But not if they successfully get May, plus they would hope to have Moore back to help out next year.

I think Bruce would be an excellent get for them, Cox is a one trick pony who is highly overrated on the back of a couple of good games. He'd be a great foil for Cox, and an upgrade on Mihochek (sp?) who is already playing that role

FWIW given Reid's durability we should be including Bruce in the Hanners deal

[goswannies]

I know this is now somewhat off-topic:



Thanks for the correction, goswannies. But can I check - is it a correct correction? What I've seen is:

" ...the record Sydney’s Nick Smith now shares with Geelong champion Tom Lonergan, for the most games played without polling a single Brownlow vote.

The pair both sit on 191 eligible games without polling." ( https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/bro...d2b-1539220253 - published after this year's Brownlow vote.)

Well, Tom Lonergan retired at the end of 2017 on 209 games.

Nick finished the 2018 season with 211 games.

Nick, for a change, didn’t bother Gill the Dill on Brownlow night.

So, by my math, 211-209=2

... Correction, you were right ... they are equal on eligible games without a Brownlow vote. Nick pips him on games aggregate (but has played 2 more finals). Bring on Round 1 2019 and after a stellar preseason Smith hopefully has a serviceable but not outstanding game

[Markwebbos]

Can see a 3 way
Bruce to Coll
Langdon to Syd
Hannas to Saints
Plus Pick swapping

If Bruce is available why wouldn’t we go after him? We are not exactly overloaded in the key FWD department.

I think the Langdon thing will take a while. It’s not clear to me if he’s taking time to make his mind up or waiting on an improved offer from the Pies?

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Well, Tom Lonergan retired at the end of 2017 on 209 games.

Nick finished the 2018 season with 211 games.

Nick, for a change, didn’t bother Gill the Dill on Brownlow night.

So, by my math, 211-209=2

No Brownlow votes in finals I’m guessing is the difference.

[liz]

Ling was injured all season, and Stoddart despite getting a game or 2 looked a long way off it

So to answer your question, probably not

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I think Bruce would be an excellent get for them, Cox is a one trick pony who is highly overrated on the back of a couple of good games. He'd be a great foil for Cox, and an upgrade on Mihochek (sp?) who is already playing that role

FWIW given Reid's durability we should be including Bruce in the Hanners deal

If I were them I'd just stick with Mihocek. He played the role pretty effectively.

Wouldn't mind Bruce at the Swans though. Agree he'd provide cover if Reid is injured (again) and also could play a role down back, if needed. I have no idea if the Saints feel him surplus to requirements, but of all the players on their list who they might contemplate letting go of, he's one of the more appealing ones to fill a role at the Swans.

[goswannies]

No Brownlow votes in finals I’m guessing is the difference.

Ah yes, the article does say eligible games.
I hope Nick doesn’t poll a vote in round 1, 2019!!

[crackedactor]

I find the public comments made by St Kilda around Hannebery quite puzzling. Sure, they're not going to diss him, given they want to trade for him, but they've been pumping him up big time. At this stage he's still a Swans player, not a Saints player. Those comments from Lethlean certainly don't shout "he's worth a second round pick".

Can someone update me on the reason we have lost pick 13?? According to the age, pick 13 given to Adelaide via Carlton as part of Mitch McGovern deal. This is the first I have heard of this!


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[liz]

I think the Langdon thing will take a while. It’s not clear to me if he’s taking time to make his mind up or waiting on an improved offer from the Pies?

He might be waiting on a better offer from the Pies and, if so, this could depend on how a whole load of other mooted trades fall.

I think the key is Hogan. If he declares he wants to go to Freo and they are willing to give up what Melbourne want, that possibly persuades Freo to part with Neale. And that may persuade Brisbane to think about letting Beams leave (though I don't imagine they'd let Collingwood have him cheaply). It would also give Melbourne the trade currency and salary cap room to make a play for May, who I suspect is holding out declaring his hand until he knows something is feasible. You'd think that Collingwood would struggle to trade for May if they are also keen on Beams (and it's not clear whether they are, or this is being driven by him). But Collingwood wanting Beams might prevent them offering Langdon any more. I would have thought May better filled a need for the Pies than Beams does.


Who knows? There are lots of permutations as to how this could all fall.