2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Ralph Dawg]

I am going to temper my previous comment. I have now found out due to this thread, that he got decent results for the sprint and agility run. I had tried but failed to find this out previously. His tank though is not great at 7.00 for the 2km. As a footballer though, he looks the goods, and tanks can be improved.

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I know running is not everything but that 2km time is very ordinary. My 13yo daughter who misses every second training session because she can't get out of bed would do the 2km well under 7 minutes with the top girls in her squad pushing down towards 6. Coupled with his average kicking and relative short stature (for a modern midfielder), he just doesn't scream top 20 to me. His contested work must be top notch as well as his character. I hope I'm so wrong here and he turns out the second coming of Lachie Neale. I just have a nagging feeling that we will regret this pick, especially with the likes of Johnson, Taylor, Sonsie, Butler etc still on the board.

[707]

Why didn’t we trade down 6 or 7 places with someone like Geelong? We give them 16 & 31 for 22 & 23

You think our crew is not fully aware of this situation? THey have a fair idea of which other clubs are interested so where the danger lies. If you watch the vision, as they cut to the Swans room, Dalrymple is on the phone obviously trying to do a pick deal of some type but then hangs up and we plug in Sheldrick.

Geelong may not want to do a deal like that because of who they have targeted at 22 & 23 won't be there at 31.

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i would have thought we needed a 179cm player like hole in the head, why not johnson at 192. we can still get a def in bazzo. ablett from wa mentioned him in his early cross. Miotch knevitt also hoghly touted still available

Talk that Johnson is a flight risk, probably why he was passed on before us and twice again after us.

[Ralph Dawg]

You think our crew is not fully aware of this situation? THey have a fair idea of which other clubs are interested so where the danger lies. If you watch the vision, as they cut to the Swans room, Dalrymple is on the phone obviously trying to do a pick deal of some type but then hangs up and we plug in Sheldrick.

Geelong may not want to do a deal like that because of who they have targeted at 22 & 23 won't be there at 31.

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Talk that Johnson is a flight risk, probably why he was passed on before us and twice again after us.

But surely we trust our system and club to keep him. Look at the Sun's - they still have Rankine, lukosius and king there, even when people said they would be on the first plane out of there after 2 years. Johnson would've been perfect to start of HB, into our midfield in a couple of years when we need him, managed in a similar way to Mills.

[Thunder Shaker]

Freo are killing it, two WA players Amiss and Erasmus, first pick tomorrow and highly rated WA mid Johnston still on the board!

All that has to happen is for Freo to take Johnson with pick 21 and they would have picked three excellent WA players in the one draft. All three will play 150 games or more.

If they turn out to be guns, it will be a defining draft for Freo, for sure. Freo supporters must be feeling very happy right now.

[707]

But surely we trust our system and club to keep him. Look at the Sun's - they still have Rankine, lukosius and king there, even when people said they would be on the first plane out of there after 2 years. Johnson would've been perfect to start of HB, into our midfield in a couple of years when we need him, managed in a similar way to Mills.

I'm still devastated by the departure of Dawson who was only became a flight risk once he went back to SA to quarantine. So I don't want any player who is making go home noises as early as their pre draft interviews.

Let's see what the situation is with King, Lukocious & Rankine at the end of 2022, they're hardly yet GC locks for life, although I hope for the good of the game they stay.

The way the process works is that the coaches and forward planners feed into the recruiters what type of player/s they would like drafted. The recruiters then find and rank those players. This is not the recruiters having a blind stab at any type of player. We took who the recruiters deemed the best available of what the coaches asked for, a tough extractor with burst may have been the brief in which case we drafted him. Having read further on our man, I'm excited

[707]

aaaaand, in other news -

West Coast’s Tom Barrass is set to sign a mega six-year deal to stay at the Eagles’ in the face of strong interest from the Sydney Swans.

Barrass’s manager Nick Gieschen, from Connors Sports, is in the final stages of a deal which will tie the gun key defender and star free agent to West Coast until 2028.

[Ludwig]

All that has to happen is for Freo to take Johnson with pick 21 and they would have picked three excellent WA players in the one draft. All three will play 150 games or more.

If they turn out to be guns, it will be a defining draft for Freo, for sure. Freo supporters must be feeling very happy right now.

Freo must be kicking themselves after they let us steal Sheldrick from right under their noses.

They surely must be rethinking their decision to take a Dutch philosopher with their 2nd pick.

It all sounds very trendy, but will it win them a premiership?

[Auntie.Gerald]

the other thing we probably havent taken into account enough as yet with Angus.............played school footy and injured collar bone in 2020......only turned 18 a couple weeks ago.

Was at water polo training twice a week and playing water polo on wknds etc...........so half the time with a footy as most others in the top50 of the draft.

So if our recruiters see the "runway" of improvement happening like McInerney and Warner .......... plus he can play an important role for us in 2022 like Gulden............than we have a smart draft with pick 18

Im sure we all want those high light videos of the outside HBF, Wing etc that have ample time on the ball and plenty of time to nail a kick or give and go goal. It always looks attractive in our 2mins of data.

I am also positive we have a few talls to choose from still also if required re KPD etc

[bloodspirit]

I'm really comfortable with Sheldrick. Johnson is the only one I'm a bit wistful about. Sheldrick will be a gun and gives us some depth in the inside mids for post-JPK. Chad hasn't shown he can rack up the numbers yet so we need a next generation player who can get the footy. This is going to apply some pressure to Rowbottom.

Johnson has slid big time - the rumours of him being a flight risk might be true. That or something else character related.

[i'm-uninformed2]

There's been a few stories about Johnson being open about not wanting to leave WA, which is potentially why other clubs avoided him, and neither WA felt compelled to pick him higher. He'll still be there for pending picks.

As for going a mid, a few interviews KB did, he was fairly dismissive of the tall talent outside the top ten. In his very vague and non-committal way, but I think there was one where he all but said there'd be no good tall forwards left by the time of our first pick.

[Auntie.Gerald]

OUT:
Dawso
Hewett

IN:
Ladhams
Paddy M
Angus

If you get a chance to listen to KBs interview with Riley and Cal...........Mid was a target and although Simon D broke down and cried in a corner when we gave pick 12 for 16, the function of our team was more important and this would be achieved via back up to Hickey ie Ladhams.

I suppose that thinking is right on the money and no greater evidence than in 2021 and Hickey in the Ruck. Along with Snr players playing alot in 2021 and our young ones really going to another level........no hickey and for me no top6 in 2021............same would be true for 2022.

significant trade in
significant trade out

Chesser
Aleer
Wilmot
Brown

ie picks 14 to 17 do look good though and I can empathise that there might be a lot of disappointment giving up pick 12 ie pick 14 last night

[AB Swannie]

Why didn’t we trade down 6 or 7 places with someone like Geelong? We give them 16 & 31 for 22 & 23

Easier said than done. Also possible that Sheldrick is not there later anyway. No one really knows but if the swans rated him that highly, there is little need to take a risk hoping he'd still be there a few picks later.

i would have thought we needed a 179cm player like hole in the head, why not johnson at 192. we can still get a def in bazzo. ablett from wa mentioned him in his early cross. Miotch knevitt also hoghly touted still available

Maybe I've read Moneyball too much (twice) but I've never understood why height for a midfielder is always used as a guide on quality. Give me output over height any day.

First reaction….absolutely shattered. I cannot believe we didn’t take van Rooyen, Johnson, Goater or Knevitt. All those players we (supporters) wanted were still sitting there on the shelf like shiny, wee, early Christmas presents. But oh, no…not the Swans. Can’t even find a proper highlights package on this bloke. Hopefully we have drafted Lachie Neale in the body of Jarred Moore…but gee whiz I’ve got a bad feeling. Hopefully Bazzo still available at 31 or 33 or whatever. At least Josh Willoughby was an under age Australian rep.

I must admit that I personally wanted van Rooyen as our first and Sheldrick as an option at 31. This is the problem with phantom drafts and power rankings. They are written by a few journalists and us supporters swallow them whole. In reality, there are many more real experts working full-time for AFL clubs as recruiters creating 18 unpublished power rankings. Supporters from all clubs then cry foul that the clubs must've "reached" because they picked a player not in the 5 or 6 journalist rankings. In reality, we don't know where someone like Sheldrick was rated in the clubs' rankings. What we do know, though, is that Goater, Knevitt, Johnson, Sonsie et al were not rated highly enough by all the clubs who had first round picks to have been drafted last night. If the journalists were drafting their own team, perhaps it would be they who would be "reaching' for players?

[Syd76]

How do you know?

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Geelong would have taken him at their first pick. That is common knowledge

[Syd76]

I'm really comfortable with Sheldrick. Johnson is the only one I'm a bit wistful about. Sheldrick will be a gun and gives us some depth in the inside mids for post-JPK. Chad hasn't shown he can rack up the numbers yet so we need a next generation player who can get the footy. This is going to apply some pressure to Rowbottom.

Johnson has slid big time - the rumours of him being a flight risk might be true. That or something else character related.

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Why didn’t we trade down 6 or 7 places with someone like Geelong? We give them 16 & 31 for 22 & 23

Because Geelong wanted Sheldrick. SD & KB didn't want Geelong to pick him instead. They were set on him once the Dawson trade went down.

[dejavoodoo44]

Easier said than done. Also possible that Sheldrick is not there later anyway. No one really knows but if the swans rated him that highly, there is little need to take a risk hoping he'd still be there a few picks later.



Maybe I've read Moneyball too much (twice) but I've never understood why height for a midfielder is always used as a guide on quality. Give me output over height any day.



I must admit that I personally wanted van Rooyen as our first and Sheldrick as an option at 31. This is the problem with phantom drafts and power rankings. They are written by a few journalists and us supporters swallow them whole. In reality, there are many more real experts working full-time for AFL clubs as recruiters creating 18 unpublished power rankings. Supporters from all clubs then cry foul that the clubs must've "reached" because they picked a player not in the 5 or 6 journalist rankings. In reality, we don't know where someone like Sheldrick was rated in the clubs' rankings. What we do know, though, is that Goater, Knevitt, Johnson, Sonsie et al were not rated highly enough by all the clubs who had first round picks to have been drafted last night. If the journalists were drafting their own team, perhaps it would be they who would be "reaching' for players?

Yes, another example of someone going significantly earlier than the experts' expectations, was Leek Alleer. In the phantom drafts, he was ranked in the 25-40 range, but the Giants took him at 15. I was hoping that he'd be available at our pick. However, I'm very happy with Sheldrick.

As others have mentioned, he did give Horne Francis a beating in a state game, the rest of his form has been consistently good and he's reported to have an excellent attitude. Also, his Twitter reaction to being drafted was, "If somebody said a year ago, that I would be taken in the first round, I would have told them to go and get stuffed!" Which I quite like.

However, having said that, since we're probably taking Anderson late, I wouldn't really want to take another midfielder, especially an inside one. Tall defender, Bazzo, would be my preference for our next pick. Then perhaps small defender and Mickey O nephew, Blayne O'Loughlin? His phantom draft rankings seem a bit strange to me. A few months ago, he was generally in the 25-40 range. Since then, he starred in a couple of matches for SA, but subsequently dropped down the rankings. Which seems odd? Maybe he's making noises about not wanting to move? But if that's the case, then I'm sure Uncle Mick could put in a good word for us. And I do think we need another quality small defender.