Tippett!!

[sharp9]

It all sounds dramatic, but how is this draft tampering?

Because the Crows would have been committing to trading a player for well below his worth...a.k.a. "A Veale Deal"

[Bloody Hell]

Maybe it's best to let the whole thing drop. Why get involved in such a mess?

Agree. It would involve and tarnish whichever club he ended up at. Tippett is in a bad position. AFC have screwed him, and screwed themselves by playing "hardball".

[Reggi]

The Crows are in deep deep @@@@@e

Unprofessional nongs

[bandwagon]

Tippett?

OMG more than 1500 posts, and there is no guarantee he will be playing with us next year. Hope the swans have a plan B.

[bandwagon]

Tippett?

Also, how the hell does Rucci have a job when he's been writing daily articles on Tippet for two weeks and gets scooped by a real journalist based in Melbourne?

Absolutely!

[annew]

Well I never knew that the AFL decided who was worth what, on the one hand pick 23 and Jesse White is not worth Tippett yet a grand final player from Hawthorn is only worth a 3rd round pick. Surely a player is worth what the seller and buyer are prepared to pay, and if that player is uncontracted and the team he comes from will get nothing in the PSD then anything is commercially viable. Also pick 23 could end up being the next Judd or Goodes so it is crystal ball stuff and Tippett could end up with long term problems because of hs concussion it is all a gamble. If Tippett is not de-registered then we could still get him in the pre season draft couldn't we? Hope we are not tarnished by all this.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

The AFL is not going to let him go to the ND and just tell Sydney not to pick him. Tippett will either be forced to sit out a year, or he'll be up for grabs in the ND/PSD.

This is on the Crows, not Sydney.

[Auntie.Gerald]

oh Mr Hart..................what a mess !

[ScottH]

oh Mr Hart..................what a mess !

No wonder tip wants the fast train out of there!!

[Far Reach]

Interesting that the apparent verbal 'gentlemens' agreement' seemed to raise no issue in this regard (though it was denied by AFC) - but it's in writing - so it blows up.

If Kurt went to the Suns for a second round then would this deal have been investigated by the AFL?

[Reggi]

This is an Adelaide not a Sydney issue. clearly we are paying overs compared to what was on offer

I am not sure this is being blown out of proportion given many players going back to Nathan Buckley have had similar arrangements

Although Crows have history, I.e. Matthew Robran, so maybe the AFL would put acid on them

I am pretty positive the deal will go through

Has Tippet done anything wrong. He has rights too. All he is doing is specifying his terms and conditions. Interested to see what the AFLPA, has to say

[MadCanuck]

The AFL is not going to let him go to the ND and just tell Sydney not to pick him. Tippett will either be forced to sit out a year, or he'll be up for grabs in the ND/PSD.

This is on the Crows, not Sydney.

This is how I see it as well. GWS looks well placed now if they have room within their cap which I'd guess they do.

[jono2707]

Maybe it's best to let the whole thing drop. Why get involved in such a mess?

I agree - won't leave us in a particularly great light even if the real mess is for AFC to sort out...

Surely Tippett and his manager have created a rod for his own back by ruling out GC and the Lions before this deal was over the line with us? Where does all this leave him if this doesn't go through?

[Steve]

Surely pick 23 + White wouldn't have been blocked by the AFL for being a 'sham' trade - that would be our first (best available pick we can offer) plus a useful 24 y/o KPP.

For the Crows to feel compelled to confess to the AFL, you'd have to wonder whether we were still offering our 2nd round pick. Then they knew they'd be asked by the AFL to explain given earlier speculation, nor could they contain it by calling off our deal completely as Tippett's manager would have cried foul.

I know it's happened many times before, but surely taking a player and not paying their full contract (other club paying the salary) in these circumstances is draft/trade tampering as well if they are going to be strict about it (ie. accepting cash to offset the value of the picks or players traded).

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Sometimes Timing=Understanding

Tippett's manager must have known that the "gentlemans agreement" to trade him for a 2nd round choice existed in written form, yet when interviewed on trade radio over a week ago he said an agreement existed but it wasn't part of the contract. We all assumed that it was a worthless verbal agreement, but it certainly explains Team Tippett's confidence that a deal would be done.

Noble must also know about the "gentlemans agreement" and that explains why he was happy to do the deal for Jesse and a 1st round draft choice (still under-the-odds for Tippett, but much better than a 2nd round choice).

I suspect Sydney knew about it too, but offered better terms either because we are nice guys, or because the Swans knew Tippett for a 2nd round choice wouldn't get past the the AFL's manager of Total Player Payment Assurance & Advice.

At which point Trigg get's involved (he who I referred to as Mr Amatuer Hour) and decides he needs a better deal to silence the Adelaide fans who are frothing at the mouth over this deal, and protect his own position/reputation. Rucci's piece entitled "Crows fans should be happy Steven Trigg is playing hardball in Kurt Tippett deal" suggests this.

Incidentally it also demonstrates that Rucci is totally compromised as a sports journalist, he's functioning purely as a PR man.

Presumably Ireland etal have refused Trigg's demand, and having been thwarted Trigg has decided to take the MAD* option of telling the AFL (and the Adealide fans) about the "gentlemans agreement" in the hope of redirecting the Crows fans wrath towards Kurt (not for the first time either) and reducing magnitude of the AFL's response.

What happens next? The only real precedent for double contracts is of course Greg Williams, in which case Tippett will be de-registered for half a season, and Adelaiade will be penalised (perhaps with a fine, but more likely with a loss of draft picks)


RWOers over the age of 45 will recognise the acronym "MAD" ~ for those of you under that age read it as "mad" :-)