2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[The Big Cat]

Doesn't have the tank to be a ruckman.

Seen his numbers have you? He rucked at Essendon at times.

[Aprilbr]

I can see the benefit and logic in Daniher, as I think our tall forward depth is thin. I'd embrace it if he does come because I think he'd be great.

However, I think we should hold off until he becomes free agent and agree we should take pick 4 to draft unless we can snare an elite ball winning mid with it.

I tend to agree with this approach. While there are no guarantees with drafting kids, the odds of us getting a top line player with that pick are reasonably good.

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[Ruck'n'Roll]

Blakey had a lot more impact when he was switched to the wing, and I reckon he will ultimately play mostly midfield.

I would be very disappointed if you were right. A grade key forwards are far rarer, and therefore more valuable flowers than midfielders.

[bloodspirit]

Blakey had a lot more impact when he was switched to the wing, and I reckon he will ultimately play mostly midfield.

Reid is an excellent foil for Buddy, but evidence strongly suggests he can't score heavily against the opposition's best defender.

I agree with this. I would add a reminder that Daniher was an All Australian key forward until he was struck by injury and kicked 65 goals in 2017 topping Essendon's goalkicking for at least the third time. And his dad played over 100 games for us.

On the other hand, JD's injuries are concerning and we want to make sure to do thorough due diligence in that regard. Plus he was never the best kick for goal and his salary is probably too high given the clouds over his body. And finally another KPF is not a critical need for us.

So, while I am in favour of his recruitment, I am not desperate for it and I'm sure we won't be either.

On another topic, I was one who suggested that Hurst should be delisted. But I confess I haven't watched a lot of NEAFL footy the past two seasons and was relying on stats and others' reports.

If he isn't who we should cut, who is? I reckon that despite the four retirements we probably need to clear at least another 3-4 list spots given we have three extras on our list at the moment and O'Connor coming in.

Same goes for Pink (who I have liked since his first season), if we keep him do we cut Amartey? Is Maibaum a goner? Rose? Fox? Wicks? Some of them have to go. Can't see much scope for picking up any Academy players at this rate.

[Auntie.Gerald]

One area we must be considering is the free agent list

Jamie Elliott free agent

Turned 27yrs of age in August

23 goals this season from 14 games

Would he be better value then keeping Menzel if he was open to coming to Sydney ?

Menzel maybe $250k next year ?

Elliot maybe $450k pa ?

So only an extra $200k pa

Elliot seems to have recovered well from injuries and if he can play 20 games and score his average ie 30 plus goals for the season - that would make us certainly much more dangerous up front.

It takes the pressure off our midfield to have a lot more genuine targets up front.

It would allow us to play Heeney more midfield minutes and also increasing paps midfield rotation which is important and no ronke

Hayward buddy, Elliot
Blakey, Reid, Papley

Lastly Elliott likes kicking from the right side at goal and as we know bud likes the left

[707]

Agreed - Hirst has improved over the season and has shown enough to get another crack at it.

Think about this - did we draft Hirst in the Mid Season draft expecting him to play in 2019? The answer to that is a definite NO. Therefore we drafted him to get him for free and to get an early start on him for 2020 IF he showed enough. I think he's done that so should definitely be one of our rookies next year.

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Apparently Brad Crouch’s manager has fielded many enquiries about him. I hope we are asking. We desperately need ball winners . Joey is on the wane and Parker needs help . Heeney is not a natural inside Mid and Mills ( still questions mark over his credentials too ) may be stuck down back forever. Hewett is great when let off the chain but it’s not enough. We rarely have one player other than Lloyd who regularly gets over 30 touches ( and a lot of his are played in kick ins) and at our prime we had 4-5 blokes getting those numbers ( JPK, Jack, Hanners, Parker, Mitchell etc . ) you can’t win the game if you don’t win your share of the footy ! Would be happy to offer pick 23 up, maybe even Rose as the steak knives if they’ll have him. Wonder if that would be enough though ...

You need to watch more footy MB, Crouch is not being traded for a second rounder, the guy is a ball magnet.

[bloodspirit]

Over optimism in relation to potential trades is a perpetual problem on this thread!

[waswan]

I never normally rate picks and its why im stocked we have the academy but you cant trade a Top 5 pick.
Unless it helps land an All Australian Elite Mid and im talking better than Crouch

Even the dumbest of recruiters can do well with a Top 5 and the pick should be an automatic Round 1 player next year for 18+Games

[KSAS]

You need to watch more footy MB, Crouch is not being traded for a second rounder, the guy is a ball magnet.

I'm also hoping Brad Crouch is on our radar and agree he is worth a 1st round pick but not our pick 4 outright. Using the trade calculator, if we gave Adelaide our Pick 4 in exchange for Brad Crouch & & their Pick 21 it is equivalent of pick 15 in points. I think this is fair. It will result in Adelaide having picks 3 & 4 which they will find enticing for where they are with their list. We end up with Crouch and picks 21 & 23. Not too shabby I reckon.

[Blood Fever]

One area we must be considering is the free agent list

Jamie Elliott free agent

Turned 27yrs of age in August

23 goals this season from 14 games

Would he be better value then keeping Menzel if he was open to coming to Sydney ?

Menzel maybe $250k next year ?

Elliot maybe $450k pa ?

So only an extra $200k pa

Elliot seems to have recovered well from injuries and if he can play 20 games and score his average ie 30 plus goals for the season - that would make us certainly much more dangerous up front.

It takes the pressure off our midfield to have a lot more genuine targets up front.

It would allow us to play Heeney more midfield minutes and also increasing paps midfield rotation which is important and no ronke

Hayward buddy, Elliot
Blakey, Reid, Papley

Lastly Elliott likes kicking from the right side at goal and as we know bud likes the left

450k a fair bit on the light side

[Ralph Dawg]

I agree with this. I would add a reminder that Daniher was an All Australian key forward until he was struck by injury and kicked 65 goals in 2017 topping Essendon's goalkicking for at least the third time. And his dad played over 100 games for us.

On the other hand, JD's injuries are concerning and we want to make sure to do thorough due diligence in that regard. Plus he was never the best kick for goal and his salary is probably too high given the clouds over his body. And finally another KPF is not a critical need for us.

So, while I am in favour of his recruitment, I am not desperate for it and I'm sure we won't be either.

On another topic, I was one who suggested that Hurst should be delisted. But I confess I haven't watched a lot of NEAFL footy the past two seasons and was relying on stats and others' reports.

If he isn't who we should cut, who is? I reckon that despite the four retirements we probably need to clear at least another 3-4 list spots given we have three extras on our list at the moment and O'Connor coming in.

Same goes for Pink (who I have liked since his first season), if we keep him do we cut Amartey? Is Maibaum a goner? Rose? Fox? Wicks? Some of them have to go. Can't see much scope for picking up any Academy players at this rate.

I think Hirst has alot more upside than Rose and Fox, both of whom have been on our list and been fringe players. Both unlikely to be regular AFL players.
I think Pink has shown enough and unfortunately it may be that Maibaum gets the axe.
Tucker is a concern injury wise, came to the club recovering from an ACL then seems to have picked up more injuries, even without playing. He's of the medium size and with Mills, Dawson and O'Riordan ahead if him by a long margin, I would delist him too.
So Rose, Fox, Maibaum and Tucker would be my changes to the roster.

[Thunder Shaker]

We are dreaming if we think Jones is worth a number 5 pick. At best, we will receive a late first rounder for him. Could only be a second rounder.

St Kilda don't have a late first round pick, a second round pick (we've already got that from them) or a third-round pick. They have pick 5 and pick 55 as their first two picks so they must work with what they have.

This is why I assessed a hypothetical Jones trade as follows:

Jones and Essendon's 29 to St Kilda for 5 and St Kilda's 2020 4th-round pick

Draft values: pick 29 = 653, pick 5 = 1878, 4th-round pick (I assumed about pick 58 = 170. 1878 + 170 - 653 = 1395 which is about pick 10 (1395). Whether that qualifies as a "late first rounder" I leave to others to judge.

An alternative trade could see us giving St Kilda' pick 23 back instead of 29. That would decrease the trade value by 162 points to 1233 (roughly pick 13, 1212 points).

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Why on earth would we give up pick 4. They are a very rare commodity for us and given our recent path of going for youth, surely go for the best we can get to build the youth base. My gut feeling is we will keep pick 4 and draft Serong, a strong inside mid, which is what we need.

We may consider trading pick 4 for other picks to improve our holding in next year's draft. I understand that we may have two academy prospects that may get drafted next year.

In my (optimistic) hypothetical drafting of picks we swapped out pick 4 and Jones but ended up with pick 5 (from St Kilda) and four picks from next year's draft.

However, that was just a hypothetical scenario. It's not hard to concoct a similar scenario where we retain pick 4 but on-trade St Kilda's pick 5 instead.

I hope we retain pick 4 for similar reasons you stated.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Think about this - did we draft Hirst in the Mid Season draft expecting him to play in 2019? The answer to that is a definite NO. Therefore we drafted him to get him for free and to get an early start on him for 2020 IF he showed enough. I think he's done that so should definitely be one of our rookies next year.

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You need to watch more footy MB, Crouch is not being traded for a second rounder, the guy is a ball magnet.

Oh I watch a lot , admittedly not a lot of crows games though. And yes, probably guilty of a bit of optimism on that one. Would still like him though , perhaps a future pick comes into play also.


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[707]

Oh I watch a lot , admittedly not a lot of crows games though. And yes, probably guilty of a bit of optimism on that one. Would still like him though , perhaps a future pick comes into play also.

I only watch Crows games if they're getting beat, the bigger the beating, the more enjoyable LOL!

Someone mentioned Tucker as a delist, we drafted him in recovery from an ACL, doubt we'd discard him now without giving him the chance for a pre-season, was always a long term investment when we rookied him. Looks a good size and physique.

I think we'll do things in trading this year with a view to 2020. A long time to go of course but if we thought one of our academy players may be bid on before our first, we could choose to use that in a trade this year and stock up on 2020 later picks to match bids. Will all be revealed in a few weeks of course!

[Ralph Dawg]

I only watch Crows games if they're getting beat, the bigger the beating, the more enjoyable LOL!

Someone mentioned Tucker as a delist, we drafted him in recovery from an ACL, doubt we'd discard him now without giving him the chance for a pre-season, was always a long term investment when we rookied him. Looks a good size and physique.

I think we'll do things in trading this year with a view to 2020. A long time to go of course but if we thought one of our academy players may be bid on before our first, we could choose to use that in a trade this year and stock up on 2020 later picks to match bids. Will all be revealed in a few weeks of course!

Tucker will depend on the medics. However, it's not a good sign that he has had a complicated recovery from an ACL as an 18 y.o.........