2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Bangalore Swans]

And the precedent bit here is perfectly appropriate. Neither Cameron or Lever were at the stage they were traded in any way superior to Dawson. So if he wants his mum’s cooking and his manager wants his cut they better go get busy and work with Adelaide on a better deal.

The other thing Adelaide and the young fella need to realise is the Swans are reasonable and practical traders. We probably aren’t expecting pick 4, but we’re not here to be screwed over either.

The 2022 future 1st round draft pick would be fair. Probably pick 5-9 in 2022.

[Markwebbos]

I remember the furore (well mostly Damian Barrett) over Daniher about how we had a "responsibility" to pay the price to get him to the club.

Cough up Crows. You can't really say he's your #1 priority, offer him $650k plus a year and then say you won't pay more than pick 23 for him.

[Aprilbr]

I remember the furore (well mostly Damian Barrett) over Daniher about how we had a "responsibility" to pay the price to get him to the club.

Cough up Crows. You can't really say he's your #1 priority, offer him $650k plus a year and then say you won't pay more than pick 23 for him.

Yes, but in the case of Daniher he still had one year left on his contract at the time we were seeking him whereas Dawson is out of contract. Therefore, our bargaining position is not as strong as Essendon's was back then but I'm sure if Dodoro was working for us he would still be demanding two top 10 draft picks for Dawson!

[WomblingFree]

Yes, but in the case of Daniher he still had one year left on his contract at the time we were seeking him whereas Dawson is out of contract. Therefore, our bargaining position is not as strong as Essendon's was back then but I'm sure if Dodoro was working for us he would still be demanding two top 10 draft picks for Dawson!

Correct you only get a strong return if the player is out of contract.

It’ll get done. 23 plus a second rounder would be fair. We’d have a good chance of packaging 24 and 31 for 17.

Talk of Adelaide being tough traders doesn’t stand up. Lever was a KPP and Cameron was under contract. And Hately only played 3 games for the crows so maybe GWS should have accepted their second rounder.

[Ralph Dawg]

Screw the second round pick the crows are offering. Already have 2 second rounders (31 and 39) which will blow out by at least 2 more spots once Daicos and Darcy are taken. I'd prefer we make a stand and get nothing than get completely screwed over. For argument's sake, if Dawson was a player in this year's draft, where would he go? Top 5 for sure.

[i'm-uninformed2]

We get some things right and the occasional thing thing wrong as a club, but at least we’ve had a strategy the past few years.

I laughed my head off when I read this re St Kilda wanting to invest and regenerate via the draft, after blowing all their trade picks the past few years after severely overrating their list. I largely think Carlton are a total joke, but at least they have had some talent come through the door, even if their development is dreadful. St Kilda have gone from we’re gonna take on the world three years ago, to oops.

Thank god level headed people run our club.

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[Velour&Ruffles]

Yes, but in the case of Daniher he still had one year left on his contract at the time we were seeking him whereas Dawson is out of contract. Therefore, our bargaining position is not as strong as Essendon's was back then but I'm sure if Dodoro was working for us he would still be demanding two top 10 draft picks for Dawson!

I think if Dodoro was working for us he'd be demanding five first round draft picks, a couple of mid-30s pick from next year's draft plus Rory Sloane and Riley Thilthorpe as steak knives. And the deal would go about as well as most of his deals.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

There wasn't really a debate per se. Just the usual sequence of events. Ludwig said what was going to happen; some people made comments to the contrary; then the official statement came out.

I hope this post is meant to be ironic, hate to think BS's adulation was going to your head.

[Aprilbr]

Dodoro approach or not, we have to find some leverage here to get reasonable compensation for us. Whether it's getting Port involved or Norf or someone, we need to sew the seed in their mind that they may miss out on him altogether if they don't do a decent deal with us. Football is a competive business so they have every right to try to screw us on a deal just as we would to them if we were in the reverse position. The only response is to be tough in response and find some leverage from somewhere.

[Jimitron5000]

If Adelaide are going to throw $650k per year at him, they obviously think he is worth something and they need to come up with a trade that justifies that.
They could look to clubs who might consider swapping out their first rounder this year for the Crows first rounder next year, or dealing with the Bulldogs (but if we have a few second rounders why not us trade the Dogs first round pick?).

[Steve]

2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

If Adelaide are going to throw $650k per year at him, they obviously think he is worth something and they need to come up with a trade that justifies that.

That’s standard practice unfortunately.

Step 1 - offer a big contract and convince the player he’s the most important recruit in the history of their club.

Step 2 - go to his current club and act as if they’d be doing them a favour taking him off their hands.

The other factor re: Dawson is the pressure he (via his agent) puts on Adelaide. If he says to them “if you want me, get the trade done - I don’t want to risk the PSD and aside from that, if I have to wait that long I may well reconsider what the Swans have offered and just re-sign with them”, it puts extra pressure on Adelaide and they may have to be more flexible.

[TheBloods]

Cant have too many guns at the centre circle , a starting trio of Mills Parker Heeney is fantastic . I have said i prefer him fwd but even i can see that . Jpk and Chad to rotate as 4th man , the old and the new.. sad to think about , but exciting in a way. Will be sad day when the great man hangs up the boots

[Ruck'n'Roll]

The only response is to be tough in response and find some leverage from somewhere.

Maybe find the leverage first, then you don't need to talk tought. That way the Swans don't end up looking like that bombastic idiot Dodo

[AB Swannie]

Maybe find the leverage first, then you don't need to talk tought. That way the Swans don't end up looking like that bombastic idiot Dodo

My optimism leads me to think that we have already found the leverage, hence the strong messaging.

[barry]

Pick 4 for Dawson is not unreasonable.
Isn't it pick 6 by they time academy and father sons are taken.
Dawson is a young proven player, not a draft gamble.