2022 List management, trading, drafting

[TheBloods]

He is definitely worth a chat but seems keen on a return to Melbourne.

He is happy in sydney . Him and Florent have matching tattoos they are that close ! Dills if you ask me but if it got him here who cares . He is a star

[Ludwig]

Sheldrick could develop but will take time. Same with Roberts. I guess when King talks about clearance beast he is thinking of big bodied players like Cripps, Tom Green etc. I am a Rowbottom fan too and I thought he was one of the players who really set the tone early against the Dogs. At this point though he does not have the size to be considered a beast. Players can build themselves up to it though. Look at Lachie Neale. When first drafted to Freo he was a lightly built mid but now has the strength and speed to really extract. That's what Rowbottom should strive for.

I think Sheldrick may be more advanced than you think. He has a mature body and is so hard at the contest. He has competition, but he's ready to play AFL when the opportunity arises. Roberts needs some more physical and athletic development, but his skills and footy smarts should take him a long way.

Although Rowbottom may be the 4th member of our current midfield quartet, he plays a very important role. He's our number 1 pressure player and 2nd in tackles, just behind tackling machine Mills. He's also 2nd in clearances behind Parker. Those numbers say he's doing a top notch job and not going anywhere. Totally uncompromising in his commitment to doing the team-first things. We saw that commitment in the goal saving bump when he got injured in the 1st qtr.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Shelterick was an accomplished extractor when drafted and was very physically mature for his age. Presumably he will be increasing that physical development while recovering.
If he does make it as an AFL player, he will make it very, very quickly.

I'd love to see the Swans pick up a young defensive giant, 200cm or there abouts - to help with all the 200cm+ forwards that are emerging.

I'd also like a couple of young ruck prospects. Hickey doesn't have that many miles on the clock so I can see no reason for him not to play on after his contract ends next season, which gives us time to grow one.

[Ludwig]

Check out this list of players of 20 players we got over the past 4 drafts, and doesn't include recruits. 7 players were in the team on Saturday. I think another 7 will be AFL best 22 ready within the next 2 years. I find it hard to complain about our recruiting after looking at this list. Our hit rate is well above replacement requirements. For me, this is a macro-stat that indicates the direction the team is headed, and it's why I'm so positive about our list.

Blakey
Rowbottom
McInerney
Wicks
McLean
Stephens
Gould
Warner
O'Connor
McDonald
Campbell
Gulden
McAndrew
Sheather
Sheldrick
Roberts
Corey Warner
Rankin
P. McCartin
Hugo Hall-Kahan

[TheBloods]

Check out this list of players of 20 players we got over the past 4 drafts, and doesn't include recruits. 7 players were in the team on Saturday. I think another 7 will be AFL best 22 ready within the next 2 years. I find it hard to complain about our recruiting after looking at this list. Our hit rate is well above replacement requirements. For me, this is a macro-stat that indicates the direction the team is headed, and it's why I'm so positive about our list.

Blakey
Rowbottom
McInerney
Wicks
McLean
Stephens
Gould
Warner
O'Connor
McDonald
Campbell
Gulden
McAndrew
Sheather
Sheldrick
Roberts
Corey Warner
Rankin
P. McCartin
Hugo Hall-Kahan

We drafted them , so what . Doesnt mean they 'll be any good . Rankin ? The mid season rookie ? Cmon

[troyjones2525]

We need Taranto . Old mates with Florent , get in his ear , at least then he would finally do something for us

He would be an excellent pick up and compliment our current list beautifully! It's just how much we'd have to give up which is the problem as GWS won't let him go cheaply.

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[KSAS]

Media speculation Pies might be open to trading Grundy if they can get good offer for him, even though he has 5 years x $1m remaining on his contract. We could do with an A grade ruckman, but wouldn't even bother considering Grundy's form/injury and impact on Salary Cap. Let him continue chew up Pies salary cap as they also have to deal with JDG coming OOC. Hopefully it may result in them being put Into cap squeeze again and loose another Treloar for a bag of chips!

[707]

Media speculation Pies might be open to trading Grundy if they can get good offer for him, even though he has 5 years x $1m remaining on his contract. We could do with an A grade ruckman, but wouldn't even bother considering Grundy's form/injury and impact on Salary Cap. Let him continue chew up Pies salary cap as they also have to deal with JDG coming OOC. Hopefully it may result in them being put Into cap squeeze again and loose another Treloar for a bag of chips!

Let Pies and Tigers deal with those big $ contracts. I don't see any clubs coming for either Dusty who carries too much risk, or Grundy who hasn't shown great form since he got the mega deal.

JDG antics may save the Pies some money, Jordan has highly likely cost himself contract $ and years with his poor behaviour. Unless he goes to St.Kilda

I'm all for Taranto who may want to move east rather than back to Melbourne

[Ludwig]

We drafted them , so what . Doesnt mean they 'll be any good . Rankin ? The mid season rookie ? Cmon

You need to read comments before replying.

It's a list of all the players, except Carruthers since the 2018 draft. I said that 14 were likely to be of AFL, including 7 who played over the weekend. That means I didn't commit to 6 players on the list. Rankin was one of those 6 players.

In any case, I am just projecting based on performance, how many players from these years will be AFL capable. I hope most will be good, because it would be good for the Swans. If it's more than 14, so much the better. If it's only 9, I will be disappointed, but it's no big deal if my guesswork falls short. It's just the kind of estimate list managers would have to make when deciding how to approach the draft. That's all.

A couple of years from now, I won't remember writing this comment. So if 14 players do make the grade, I won't be reminding everyone about it.

Feel free to take a crack at which ones you think will make it and which ones not. What do you think constitutes a good hit rate for drafting?

[stevoswan]

You need to read comments before replying.

It's a list of all the players, except Carruthers since the 2018 draft. I said that 14 were likely to be of AFL, including 7 who played over the weekend. That means I didn't commit to 6 players on the list. Rankin was one of those 6 players.

In any case, I am just projecting based on performance, how many players from these years will be AFL capable. I hope most will be good, because it would be good for the Swans. If it's more than 14, so much the better. If it's only 9, I will be disappointed, but it's no big deal if my guesswork falls short. It's just the kind of estimate list managers would have to make when deciding how to approach the draft. That's all.

A couple of years from now, I won't remember writing this comment. So if 14 players do make the grade, I won't be reminding everyone about it.

Feel free to take a crack at which ones you think will make it and which ones not. What do you think constitutes a good hit rate for drafting?

Yes, a certain poster needs to remember that it is actually our club that assesses and recruits players.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Given that Taranto and Hopper have come up as players that Swans supporters would prefer to Dusty

I get this given we are loosing Kennedy maybe end oof this year end or next season

Given most estimates for Heeney is minimum $800k pa as at 2022 contract and it could be more?

Im super interested in how we would value a Taranto or a Hopper etc?

What is the expected range pa for these types of players?

Hopper (good Leeton NSW boy) has signed onto 2023 in which Free agency 2024 becomes real

If Hopper indicated he has a 4 year deal with another club and has no intention on staying once a FA would GWS let him shuffle on end of 2022?

He would be a serious acquisition and especially if he wanted to stay in Sydney and not play for a bunch of......

How do you value a player like this? and does he provide more certainty or higher probability of on field success vs our current roster?

Does a player like Hopper give more than a Dawson at $600k pa plus?

[111431]

Given that Taranto and Hopper have come up as players that Swans supporters would prefer to Dusty

I get this given we are loosing Kennedy maybe end oof this year end or next season

Given most estimates for Heeney is minimum $800k pa as at 2022 contract and it could be more?

Im super interested in how we would value a Taranto or a Hopper etc?

What is the expected range pa for these types of players?

Hopper (good Leeton NSW boy) has signed onto 2023 in which Free agency 2024 becomes real

If Hopper indicated he has a 4 year deal with another club and has no intention on staying once a FA would GWS let him shuffle on end of 2022?

He would be a serious acquisition and especially if he wanted to stay in Sydney and not play for a bunch of......

How do you value a player like this? and does he provide more certainty or higher probability of on field success vs our current roster?

Does a player like Hopper give more than a Dawson at $600k pa plus?

Hopper is a good hard player. We already have Mills who is a similar player but with strong leadership ability. Hopper is not the finisher that Dawson was. If we are in the market then I think we should be looking at someone who is an elite finisher. I'm not sure Taranto is an elite finisher either, albeit a very good player. maybe we should consider Baker from Richmond. He's tough and a good kick

[chalbilto]

Hopper is a good hard player. We already have Mills who is a similar player but with strong leadership ability. Hopper is not the finisher that Dawson was. If we are in the market then I think we should be looking at someone who is an elite finisher. I'm not sure Taranto is an elite finisher either, albeit a very good player. maybe we should consider Baker from Richmond. He's tough and a good kick

Baker would be a great acquisition but I think that if he were to leave, he would end up at Freo or West Coast.

[Nico]

Hopper is a good hard player. We already have Mills who is a similar player but with strong leadership ability. Hopper is not the finisher that Dawson was. If we are in the market then I think we should be looking at someone who is an elite finisher. I'm not sure Taranto is an elite finisher either, albeit a very good player. maybe we should consider Baker from Richmond. He's tough and a good kick

I don't know that we could fit either of these 2 in the salary cap. I suspect their value is over stated and would they be able to transition into a superior culture.

[Aprilbr]

I don't know that we could fit either of these 2 in the salary cap. I suspect their value is over stated and would they be able to transition into a superior culture.

Its interesting that in the history of GWS, we have yet to grab any of their players. The closest was Cunningham but he was a reject from their final culling of their list. Given how they have lost so many players over the years (mostly to Vic clubs), its surprising that not one has come our way. I know people will say its the go home factor to Victoria but not everyone wants to live there.