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  • royboy42
    Senior Player
    • Apr 2006
    • 2078

    Originally posted by Aprilbr
    I agree. There is some young talent there. It reminds me of the final Fitzroy team in 1996. That team could only win one game in the Club's final season yet several of their team went on to have illustrious careers elsewhere and win premierships eg Chris Johnson, Martin Pike and Matthew Primus. At Fitzroy, they were in a poorly resourced and coached team but it all changed when they went to stronger teams. They were young and many of them developed after leaving. North would have at least six like this.

    Fitzroy's Last Game: An Injustice
    Damn.
    I thought those old scars were healing.
    I guess not.
    Still hurts.

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    • royboy42
      Senior Player
      • Apr 2006
      • 2078

      Originally posted by 09183305
      Matt Crouch to dropped after 28 disposals and 7 clearances, Nicksy doesn’t seem to want to play him - would you trade Rowbottom for Crouch?
      Nope.

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      • giant
        Veterans List
        • Mar 2005
        • 4731

        Originally posted by TheBloods
        Thats not his job ! He is inside mid , they are there to win the ball . Get it in the coalface and get it to outside . You judge the outside mids by metres gained per possession . Crouch feeds it to his outside players , does his job well , Nicks has stuffed this one
        Two thirds of his possessions are uncontested, about the same percentage are handballs. His tackling (average 4 per game) is neither good nor bad. His average metres gained is significantly less than your bete noire Rowbottam. He brings little to nothing.

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        • Ludwig
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 9359

          Originally posted by TheBloods
          Retirement , gives you enough time to watch enough games .
          I probably watch 4 or 5 games a week. Usually I skip the lower ranked teams, so don't get to see much of North and Adelaide. They have players coming in and out of the team that I never heard of.

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          • TheBloods
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Feb 2020
            • 2047

            Originally posted by Ludwig
            I probably watch 4 or 5 games a week. Usually I skip the lower ranked teams, so don't get to see much of North and Adelaide. They have players coming in and out of the team that I never heard of.
            Your not missing much , they make watching footy hard yakka ! We have all been there , reminds me of 93

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            • i'm-uninformed2
              Reefer Madness
              • Oct 2003
              • 4653

              Originally posted by TheBloods
              Your not missing much , they make watching footy hard yakka ! We have all been there , reminds me of 93
              ‘93 was when I got into footy.

              I’d been an occasional TV watcher till then but never been to a game live. My first one was watching us get utterly pumped by Essendon early in the season but the play was so damn exhilarating, I was hooked. I can’t remember the exact scores but we kicked about 80 in a losing effort. Problem was they kicked about 180!

              That was it for me.
              'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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              • TheBloods
                Suspended by the MRP
                • Feb 2020
                • 2047

                Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                ‘93 was when I got into footy.

                I’d been an occasional TV watcher till then but never been to a game live. My first one was watching us get utterly pumped by Essendon early in the season but the play was so damn exhilarating, I was hooked. I can’t remember the exact scores but we kicked about 80 in a losing effort. Problem was they kicked about 180!

                That was it for me.
                You saw a 100 point belting and started going for the team on the losing end of it ? Were you all there !

                Back then 80 was a low score . Hard to believe how its changed . Winning side tonight kicked 84

                Cant remember my first game . Remember i got into it when Bobby had already won his 1st Brownlow . Watch out for the lad in 14 my brother said , what a ripper he is . Down i went and 3 games in a row Bobby was quiet . I thought everyone was having a lend of me ! From that point on he never had 2 quiet ones in a row for the rest of his days ! Met him years later at Paddo and mentioned how he had a quiet one so i never got the fuss to start with , he looked like he was ready to turn my lights out ! Ripper of a bloke

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                • i'm-uninformed2
                  Reefer Madness
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 4653

                  Originally posted by TheBloods
                  You saw a 100 point belting and started going for the team on the losing end of it ? Were you all there !
                  I was in my early 20s and spent most weekends totally off my chops, so unlikely.

                  But who couldn’t see a game of AFL live and not get into it. Watching last weekend was so much fun after 2 1/2 years away from a live game
                  'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                  • sharp9
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2508

                    Originally posted by 09183305
                    Matt Crouch to dropped after 28 disposals and 7 clearances, Nicksy doesn’t seem to want to play him - would you trade Rowbottom for Crouch?
                    @@@@ NO!
                    "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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                    • Auntie.Gerald
                      Veterans List
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6480

                      I believe Bud will play on next year.

                      I don't believe he wants to leave the swans unless he sees a team like Freeo has just as much chance if not more than the swans to win a GF.

                      If the Franklins as a family want to head back for a year close to his family in WA than Freeo would probably love to have Bud in their window.

                      Jacinta was pretty clear about a year away after footy.......it almost felt like she was sending an indirect message to Freeo and or softening a departure.

                      Despite this possibility Bud will be at the Swans in 2023 unless we actually decide to take on another longer term elite player that is in the clubs best interest.
                      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                      • 707
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 6204

                        Buddy - we'll do what's in the best interests of the club.

                        If we have cap space for his asking price we'll do it. If we don't or have another more important trade in earmarked for some of those $, we'll do that.

                        No player (almost) is bigger than the club,

                        Whoever suggested Matt Crouch - go and read the Crows BF threads. A slow ball magnet with limited hurt factor. Crows midfield mainstays Keays, Laird and Crouch had exactly 100 possessions between them last week for just 534 metres gained!

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                        • KSAS
                          Senior Player
                          • Mar 2018
                          • 1793

                          I'm less bullish now of trading for a quality midfielder elsewhere as I believe between Stephens, Campbell, Roberts and Sheldrick they have the goods to help take our midfield to the next level. They need opportunities to show they can do so, which recruiting a quality midfielder will limit their opportunities and create further cap space squeeze. Keep building from within and less risk of losing good young talent because lack of opportunities.

                          I think Ruck division is still our biggest weakness particularly when up against quality opposition. Ladhams is our only quality long term prospect we can rely upon at the moment.

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                          • bloodspirit
                            Clubman
                            • Apr 2015
                            • 4448

                            Originally posted by KSAS
                            I'm less bullish now of trading for a quality midfielder elsewhere as I believe between Stephens, Campbell, Roberts and Sheldrick they have the goods to help take our midfield to the next level. They need opportunities to show they can do so, which recruiting a quality midfielder will limit their opportunities and create further cap space squeeze. Keep building from within and less risk of losing good young talent because lack of opportunities.
                            This is exactly what Ludwig has consistently preached.

                            I don't have a firm view, and trust our list managers.
                            All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                            • Aprilbr
                              Senior Player
                              • Oct 2016
                              • 1803

                              Given our list is in good shape, I don't think we need to bring in too many new players at season's end. North or WCE clearly have a need to bring in multiple young players to really kick-start their rebuilds. Accordingly, I was thinking that we could package together our current two first round picks (13 and 18) which total 2,197 draft points in value in return for a number 3 or 4 pick (equivalent value falls between these two picks). We get an elite pick and they get two first rounders - win/win deal! Obviously these picks may move with father/son, academy selections, priority picks etc but its worth a serious think! I'm trying to think outside of the square here. What do others think?

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                              • liz
                                Veteran
                                Site Admin
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 16778

                                Originally posted by Aprilbr
                                Given our list is in good shape, I don't think we need to bring in too many new players at season's end. North or WCE clearly have a need to bring in multiple young players to really kick-start their rebuilds. Accordingly, I was thinking that we could package together our current two first round picks (13 and 18) which total 2,197 draft points in value in return for a number 3 or 4 pick (equivalent value falls between these two picks). We get an elite pick and they get two first rounders - win/win deal! Obviously these picks may move with father/son, academy selections, priority picks etc but its worth a serious think! I'm trying to think outside of the square here. What do others think?
                                I think there's no way North does that trade.

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