2022 List management, trading, drafting

[gloveski]

It's also likely that none of the three in the past two days are on big money. If I had to guess, Fox might be going onto $250K plus incentives, P Mc $350K plus incentives and Tom Mc around $450K, and given the length of his contract, some clause with increases tied to the next CBA.

I think they all would be on a bit more with the average AFL salary in 2022 $389k . I think you could add at least $50k more for Tom .


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[Maltopia]

I think they all would be on a bit more with the average AFL salary in 2022 $389k . I think you could add at least $50k more for Tom .


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Median is more important than average as the baseline in this industry, as it is not a natural distribution. Some players earning 750K plus (as much as $1.3 million for Dusty) means most average to decent players earn below the average.

[707]

Median is more important than average as the baseline in this industry, as it is not a natural distribution. Some players earning 750K plus (as much as $1.3 million for Dusty) means most average to decent players earn below the average.

Correct Mal, averages are usually quoted for a range of things in life, but median is the figure that should be used.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Median is more important than average as the baseline in this industry, as it is not a natural distribution. Some players earning 750K plus (as much as $1.3 million for Dusty) means most average to decent players earn below the average.

Correct, and this is where things like incentives come in for lower paid players like Fox

[barry]

Our cobbled together backline of ex-forwards, ex-outside mids and rookies is performing magnificently.
However I think you are under-rating our forwards - Papley and Heeney are stars at 26y.o. Hayward is a very good player at 23; McDonald has enormous upside and is 20.
It is not outrageous to suggest McLean/Amartey could become a regular AFL player. Not a star, but maybe to the standard of Dan McStay/Ben Brown.

I meant "No opposition forward line worries me". Be it Geelong with Hawkins, Cameron and ehhh, Rohan, or anyone.

[bloodspirit]

How many clubs have as many players on long contracts as us? Currently we have Heeney, Mills, and now T. McCartin all signed up for 5+ years. Even with GWS they have Coniglio, Whitfield and Kelly signed on long term deals but do they all have 5+ years to go after this season. (No point counting those who are at the end of those deals, like Buddy.)

Personally I have a high level of confidence both in our list managers and in those players so I'm not unhappy - but we've seen how long contracts have become a millstone around the necks of some clubs e.g. Brodie Grundy at Collingwood).

It gives me some comfort that (1) probably those players are not on absolute top dollar (like Buddy, Dusty, Grundy and the GWS trio - although it's hard to be certain with Heeney and Mills); and (2) all of those players are not valuable for their playing ability alone - they also are leaders of the club or have leadership futures (possibly query in relation to Heeney).

[gloveski]

How many clubs have as many players on long contracts as us? Currently we have Heeney, Mills, and now T. McCartin all signed up for 5+ years. Even with GWS they have Coniglio, Whitfield and Kelly signed on long term deals but do they all have 5+ years to go after this season. (No point counting those who are at the end of those deals, like Buddy.)

Personally I have a high level of confidence both in our list managers and in those players so I'm not unhappy - but we've seen how long contracts have become a millstone around the necks of some clubs e.g. Brodie Grundy at Collingwood).

It gives me some comfort that (1) probably those players are not on absolute top dollar (like Buddy, Dusty, Grundy and the GWS trio - although it's hard to be certain with Heeney and Mills); and (2) all of those players are not valuable for their playing ability alone - they also are leaders of the club or have leadership futures (possibly query in relation to Heeney).

Can also add Parker to that list


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[gloveski]

I mentioned Lauchie Cowan I while back as someone who I would like to see the swans take. Good to see he was joint winner of the Morrish Medal . The kid can play


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[bloodspirit]

Can also add Parker to that list


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I thought of mentioning Parker but isn't he already one year into a 4 year contract?

[waswan]

Huge signings, good business
Must be easier when you have certainty of what the cap is going to be

[Ludwig]

I mentioned Lauchie Cowan I while back as someone who I would like to see the swans take. Good to see he was joint winner of the Morrish Medal . The kid can play

It must be so. I've seen a few draft gurus pushing him into the 1st round.

[stevoswan]

Here's the Swans announcement

Bloods brothers re-sign

Such good news.....The Iron McCartin will live on.....and only get better.

[liz]

I would be. He's an explosive athletic beast. And to those that subsequently asked, if a certain forward retires at the end of the year, there we go. (I reckon he's slightly more natural as a defender, but hey)

However much we're enjoying the cohesion of our defensive team right now, I don't think it necessarily has to look the same in future years. If we need a forward in the post-Buddy years, we have a 195 cm, ultra quick guy who can kick currently running off the half-back flank. I have no doubt he's learned a lot about how to play forward, as well as about his own abilities, but in the longer term we might get more value for them in the forward line.

I'd also like to see Florent transplant his dancing feet out of the restrictions of the defensive zone and into the middle over the next few seasons. He's stronger. He's tougher. And he's learned so much more about operating in tight spaces. And for a player who's kicking (or decision making) was sometimes suspect as recently as a season and a half ago, he's recently been one of our most accurate kicks into the forward 50 on the too rare occasions he finds himself up the ground.

[707]

I mentioned Lauchie Cowan I while back as someone who I would like to see the swans take. Good to see he was joint winner of the Morrish Medal . The kid can play

A defender/mid with a long kick I believe. Will be in the window where we pick pick. He's Tasmanian so will leave for a compo pick in 5-6 years time :-)

Long term contracts are set and forget on the spreadsheet, particularly good when they are rock solid Swans to the core players like we've signed.

Liz, you mentioned possible future back line changes. We will of course have younger players needing to take up those running defender roles, so Blakey and Florent could well be moving forward. Now he's matured Blakey could become a nightmare match up as a roaming forward, Florent as one of the CBA's. You have to continuously improve and evolve, but haven't we come with a rush this year.

[Aprilbr]

I wish we had a salary cap like Richmond who can have players like Lynch and Dusty on mega deals and then can apparently still afford to bring in GWS stars, Taranto and Hopper, on big contracts. Call me a cynic but I'm pretty confident they have found a way to circumvent the Cap - probably through sponsor- connected payments in kind.