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  • gloveski
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2003
    • 1018

    Here is a video of shaun atley who Maxfield was talking to

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    • caj23
      Senior Player
      • Aug 2003
      • 2462

      Originally posted by sharp9
      I felt certain at the time that Dempster was thrown in for free because Roos no longer rated him in the 22 and told Rossy you can have him for free if you want him. Of course, I could be wrong.
      I think that is reasonably accurate. It was a terrible piece of list management for the following reasons:

      - Dempster has been an automatic selection for the Saints who have had a superior 22 to ours
      - He is a versatile player who suited our team and style of play
      - He didn't bother shopping him around to other clubs to see whether he had any trade value
      - He didn't bother asking the Saints for their 1st round pick instead of their 2nd

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      • Go Swannies
        Veterans List
        • Sep 2003
        • 5697

        Originally posted by Will Sangster
        I think that is reasonably accurate. It was a terrible piece of list management for the following reasons:

        - Dempster has been an automatic selection for the Saints who have had a superior 22 to ours
        - He is a versatile player who suited our team and style of play
        - He didn't bother shopping him around to other clubs to see whether he had any trade value
        - He didn't bother asking the Saints for their 1st round pick instead of their 2nd
        However, I think Sean was the Bevo of an earlier age - but without the upside. He's done well at the Saints but there were few indications that he would have if he'd continued at the Swans. He might have well had a Luke Ablett-like decline and be retired by now, instead of playing in his third Grand Final in two years.

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        • caj23
          Senior Player
          • Aug 2003
          • 2462

          Originally posted by Go Swannies
          However, I think Sean was the Bevo of an earlier age - but without the upside. He's done well at the Saints but there were few indications that he would have if he'd continued at the Swans. He might have well had a Luke Ablett-like decline and be retired by now, instead of playing in his third Grand Final in two years.
          He was/is never going to be a topline player but there seems to be a bit of revision of history by some fans to defend the trade (e.g. Schneider had stagnated, Dempster was no good). Dempster had a 22 possession, 11 mark game against West Coast in 2007 and got dropped the following week. His output that year when he got a game was comparable to his time at the Saints.

          Ablett barely had a 22 possesion game in his whole career

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          • Go Swannies
            Veterans List
            • Sep 2003
            • 5697

            Originally posted by Will Sangster
            He was/is never going to be a topline player but there seems to be a bit of revision of history by some fans to defend the trade (e.g. Schneider had stagnated, Dempster was no good). Dempster had a 22 possession, 11 mark game against West Coast in 2007 and got dropped the following week. His output that year when he got a game was comparable to his time at the Saints.

            Ablett barely had a 22 possesion game in his whole career
            When he was traded, Roos was quoted as saying:

            Dempster, according to Roos "would come after Kennelly,Malceski and Mattner and probably wouldn't get a game"

            Which of these should have gone instead?

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            • RogueSwan
              McVeigh for Brownlow
              • Apr 2003
              • 4602

              Originally posted by Go Swannies
              When he was traded, Roos was quoted as saying:

              Dempster, according to Roos "would come after Kennelly,Malceski and Mattner and probably wouldn't get a game"

              Which of these should have gone instead?
              Shaw?
              "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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              • caj23
                Senior Player
                • Aug 2003
                • 2462

                Originally posted by Go Swannies
                When he was traded, Roos was quoted as saying:

                Dempster, according to Roos "would come after Kennelly,Malceski and Mattner and probably wouldn't get a game"

                Which of these should have gone instead?
                I've already stated that Crouch, Mathews and Ablett should have been on the chopping block before Dempster. Rubbish quote from Roos to justify the trade, Dempster can play a lock down role as evidenced on Saturday, do you think either of those 3 could have done that job on Didak??

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                • Doctor J.
                  Senior Player
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 1310

                  Originally posted by Will Sangster
                  I think that is reasonably accurate. It was a terrible piece of list management for the following reasons:

                  - Dempster has been an automatic selection for the Saints who have had a superior 22 to ours
                  - He is a versatile player who suited our team and style of play
                  - He didn't bother shopping him around to other clubs to see whether he had any trade value
                  - He didn't bother asking the Saints for their 1st round pick instead of their 2nd
                  The bolded statement is just wrong. 22 games over the past two seasons does not indicate an automatic selection.

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                  • Go Swannies
                    Veterans List
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 5697

                    Originally posted by Will Sangster
                    I've already stated that Crouch, Mathews and Ablett should have been on the chopping block before Dempster. Rubbish quote from Roos to justify the trade, Dempster can play a lock down role as evidenced on Saturday, do you think either of those 3 could have done that job on Didak??
                    Did you ever see Crouch play? I'd say Aker was a more wily player than Didak, as the most obvious example.

                    A search of RWO will reveal that in his final year at the Swans Dempster didn't reach a pass mark among posters.

                    IN the giant chess game of coaching I would have taken Shaw over Dempster, too.

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                    • chuckie
                      Warming the Bench
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 301

                      We can say what we like about both Schneider and Dempster but they will most likely be playing in there fifth grand final this week.
                      I hope I'm wrong but I don't think anyone on our current list will play in 5 grand finals with us.

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                      • Go Swannies
                        Veterans List
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 5697

                        Originally posted by chuckie
                        We can say what we like about both Schneider and Dempster but they will most likely be playing in there fifth grand final this week.
                        I hope I'm wrong but I don't think anyone on our current list will play in 5 grand finals with us.
                        In 12 months, quite a few Swans players could be playing in their third GF for the club - and that would be as many as S&D have for the Saints. Of course, S&D would be in their 5th for the Saints if it's a drawn Saints-Swans GF next year. Not sure my nerves would be up to it, though. Or Jolly could be lining up for his 6th GF.

                        Hey, the ramifications from two GFs a year are fun.

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                        • Hartijon
                          On the Rookie List
                          • May 2008
                          • 1536

                          Are you sure its two Grand Finals this year? Isn't it one Grand Final played twice. Its the 2010 Grand Final, one Grand Final.All depends how you look at it hey?

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                          • Bas
                            Veterans List
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 4457

                            The following article says Vez, Currie, Barlow and MOD all on the trade table. Won't be getting any high profile players with the lot on offer.


                            Veszpremi in Swans' trade mix - AFL.com.au
                            In memory of my little Staffy - Dicey, 17.06.2005 to 1.12.2011- I'll miss you mate.

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                            • RogueSwan
                              McVeigh for Brownlow
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 4602

                              Originally posted by Bas
                              The following article says Vez, Currie, Barlow and MOD all on the trade table. Won't be getting any high profile players with the lot on offer.


                              Veszpremi in Swans' trade mix - AFL.com.au
                              Already posted here
                              and is really just someone reporting on the Maxwell video clip.
                              "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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                              • Jeffers1984
                                Veterans List
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 4564

                                I hope we perservere with Vez. I reckon he'll do much better under Horse.
                                Official Driver Of The "Who Gives A @@@@ As The Player Will Get Delisted Anyway" Bandwagon.

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