2010 Draft/Trade Resource & Discussion

[laughingnome]

Any trade where you're giving up two senior players for the one (second round) draft pick is questionable at best.

[Robbo]

Just quietly, what kind of name is Kristin?

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I thought it was common knowledge that Schneider and Dempster were cut for salary cap reasons? We tried to move Jude but no one bit at the asking price of a first round pick?

[Bas]

That would be a very bad move to get him, regardless of who was being traded.

Can Ohalpin do anything else apart from kicking a player in the backside when he's lying face down and can't defend himself?

It has to be a joke.

[ugg]

Clash of cultures: Setanta totally misunderstood the instructions when Ratten told him to kick some serious butt on the training track.

[dimelb]

clash of cultures: Setanta totally misunderstood the instructions when ratten told him to kick some serious butt on the training track.

lol!

[BSA5]

How is the Schneider trade a win/win? The Saints picked up 2 of our players that look like they will play > 100 games each, Meredith hasn't shown much in his 3 seasons to date and if he continues with his current injury strike rate in 2011 there's a fair chance he'll be delisted

That's not the right way to look at it. Dempster would not be getting a game at the Swans right now, and wouldn't have since we traded him. I know the Saints are a better side, but he plays the very specific role of small defender. Smith, Bevo, Mattner, Malceski, Kennelly, Craig Bolton, etc.

Meanwhile, Schneider had stagnated. He's a good player, but needed a change of scenery to come into his own.

Now, the way the trade went, we traded Marty Mattner into the side, for a second round pick, and trading Schneider and Dempster to the Saints for their second rounder was a way of replacing that second round pick. So essentially, it was Matter for a stagnant Schneider and a player who wasn't going to get games with us. Mattner's decision making has been questionable at times, but he has been a best 22 player every year since coming here, his best has been brilliant, and he has served us very well.

I'd call Schneider and Dempster for Mattner win/win, definitely.

[Doctor]

Sydney on a Kieran Jack high | Herald Sun

Looks like Horse is keen to get into a bit of trading

Clever!

[wearebloods]

The armchair list managers @ BF reckon Dean Polo - Richmond [24yo, 56 games, 187cm / 83kg, Mid/ Fwd/HBF] for a late pick is on the cards...any takers?

[DeadlyAkkuret]

No thanks

[caj23]

That's not the right way to look at it. Dempster would not be getting a game at the Swans right now, and wouldn't have since we traded him. I know the Saints are a better side, but he plays the very specific role of small defender. Smith, Bevo, Mattner, Malceski, Kennelly, Craig Bolton, etc.

Meanwhile, Schneider had stagnated. He's a good player, but needed a change of scenery to come into his own.

Now, the way the trade went, we traded Marty Mattner into the side, for a second round pick, and trading Schneider and Dempster to the Saints for their second rounder was a way of replacing that second round pick. So essentially, it was Matter for a stagnant Schneider and a player who wasn't going to get games with us. Mattner's decision making has been questionable at times, but he has been a best 22 player every year since coming here, his best has been brilliant, and he has served us very well.

I'd call Schneider and Dempster for Mattner win/win, definitely.

Well no, they are completely different trades. We could have simply traded our 2nd rounder for Mattner and kept the other 2.

In terms of salary cap, we kept Mathews, Ablett and Crouch who all could have (and should have) been cut before Schneids/Dempster. The fact is that we have been crying out for a small forward since Schneider left and he would easily be in our starting 18, in fact he was never really out of it . Demptser may be a 50/50 proposition but i personally thought he was hard done by in his last season. He actually plays tall and short and had a 29 possession game in his last season

I guess it's done now and doesnt mattter, but for anyone to suggest it was a good trade is kidding themselves

[SimonH]

Well no, they are completely different trades. We could have simply traded our 2nd rounder for Mattner and kept the other 2.

In terms of salary cap, we kept Mathews, Ablett and Crouch who all could have (and should have) been cut before Schneids/Dempster. The fact is that we have been crying out for a small forward since Schneider left and he would easily be in our starting 18, in fact he was never really out of it . Demptser may be a 50/50 proposition but i personally thought he was hard done by in his last season. He actually plays tall and short and had a 29 possession game in his last season

I guess it's done now and doesnt mattter, but for anyone to suggest it was a good trade is kidding themselves

I think people have got overexcited by a misreading of what I said. I said the decision to trade him was a win/win (win for him in terms of his professional future; win for us in that, regardless of who replaced him on our list, the player who replaced him in our best 22 has added more to the team than he did in 2007). I also said that the Saints got him too cheaply.

I never said anything about the decision to trade Dempster, which even though they were sold as a '2 for 1' deal in the particular trade reached, is a completely separate issue. Always against it at the time, as I always rated Dempster; but the fact is that he's continued to be a marginal selection at St Kilda, and he still doesn't gather enough possessions and impose himself on the game enough.

Of course, I hope that both of them have a premiership medal around their neck next Saturday evening. But that's another argument.

[aardvark]

Sunday footy show says White up for trade bait. I'd be happy with a first rounder for him to go to GC.

[Ratna]

I hope there is some plans in place to get someone else if we trade White. If Bradshaw doesn't come good fitness wise next season Jesse would be very handy to have as who else will fill the role. Also KP players are hard to come by. He hasn't been setting the world on fire, but he is still only young for a KPP and has some good experience and is physically capable. Would hate to see him develop and kick bags against us in the future, but if they want to trade him good luck to him against all other clubs.

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I wouldn't give much credence to anything the Sunday Footy Show comes up with.