2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • Ludwig
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 9359

    Originally posted by ugg
    Pick 34 = 542
    Pick 60 = 146


    Pick 58 = 170
    Pick 62 = 123
    Net gain of 395 points
    395 points equates to a pick 42, a third rounder. So the trade ends up roughly being a swap of Aliir for Hickey. It also facilitate the movement of points from next year to this year without using our 2021 2nd rounder, which has some value in its own right. We can probably go into the draft with the picks we have and wait to see when Gulden gets bid on before deciding if we need to move and more points forward. We might be able to trade down our 2nd round picks to get more points.

    We lost some player value, but we fixed a few problems, one positional and some for the draft. It's not that negative in a broader view of what our needs are.

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    • Swanny79
      On the Rookie List
      • Nov 2020
      • 23

      Originally posted by Markwebbos
      What do people think AA is worth?

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      Maybe, but why then (allegedly) trying to offload Hewett?
      Squeeze for Hewett as well.....Warner, Stephens, Gulden, Campbell, McInerney, Rowbottom, Florent, Parker,Kennedy, Blakey,Heeney, Mills, Clarke.....potentially even Hollands? playing through midfield.....I don't see Hewett as someone who can play half forward

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      • Scottee
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2003
        • 1585

        I have watched a lot of Hickey in his early years because my partner is a Saints supporter. He can at least direct the ball to his own team mates which is an upgrade on Sinclair. He is also a good kick and dangerous around goals. He will be serviceable.

        Poor return on AA though.

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        • waswan
          Senior Player
          • Oct 2015
          • 2047

          Would have thought Hewett is the perfect Kennedy Replacement

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          • The Big Cat
            On the veteran's list
            • Apr 2006
            • 2347

            To keep pick 3 and still get Campbell and Gulden without too much damage for next year something had to give. If Aliir had gone as a RFA next year, people would be dreaming if they thought the compo would be any better than a pick somewhere in the second round
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            • Swanny79
              On the Rookie List
              • Nov 2020
              • 23

              GWS got pick 31 for Corr on a 6 year deal worth 550k, we may have got a 3rd round pick for Aliir if he left next year as a free agent. Honestly with everyone fit next year I didnt see Aliir as a first 22 player.

              Lets compare Brand vs Aliir.....I don't see too much difference.

              Melican, McCartin, Brand, Rampe, Fox, Dawson, Gould......all potential KPD

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              • waswan
                Senior Player
                • Oct 2015
                • 2047

                Originally posted by The Big Cat
                To keep pick 3 and still get Campbell and Gulden without too much damage for next year something had to give. If Aliir had gone as a RFA next year, people would be dreaming if they thought the compo would be any better than a pick somewhere in the second round
                I for one would have been happy to hold for a year and risk a compo pick which would have been similar.

                I sure hope K Brand doesnt have a 2 week groin injury again

                Also, Gould was the most ready made player in the draft and a 2nd Round, we seem to assume both academy boys are walking into the 22

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                • Swanny79
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Nov 2020
                  • 23

                  we always tend to overrate our own players

                  Peter Wright was traded for a future 4th round pick, i would taken Wright as a straight swap for Aliir

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                  • i'm-uninformed2
                    Reefer Madness
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 4653

                    I think people forget two things with this deal. Hickey is a reasonable tap ruckman (no star, but better at it than Sinclair), and if you watched our midfield in rd1 when Naismith played, a good tap ruckman makes a substantial difference.

                    That is structural problem number one.

                    And Sinclair is better as a forward, pinch hitting in the ruck. And given the uncertainty over Bud's body, Reid's variability, and the shift of McCartin to defence (apparently), we have freed him up to play more forward.

                    That is structural problem number two.

                    Yes, we had to give a bit, but sometimes you have to. And we did so in a way that kept us pick 3, and boosted points for the academy bids.
                    'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                    • Swanny79
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Nov 2020
                      • 23

                      we will end up doing some live trades for our 2nd round picks to generate more points, i'll be very surprised if we go into next year's draft with much of a deficit if at all

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                      • Swanny79
                        On the Rookie List
                        • Nov 2020
                        • 23

                        Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                        I think people forget two things with this deal. Hickey is a reasonable tap ruckman (no star, but better at it than Sinclair), and if you watched our midfield in rd1 when Naismith played, a good tap ruckman makes a substantial difference.

                        That is structural problem number one.

                        And Sinclair is better as a forward, pinch hitting in the ruck. And given the uncertainty over Bud's body, Reid's variability, and the shift of McCartin to defence (apparently), we have freed him up to play more forward.

                        That is structural problem number two.

                        Yes, we had to give a bit, but sometimes you have to. And we did so in a way that kept us pick 3, and boosted points for the academy bids.
                        totally agree, Hickey is a much better tap ruckman than Sinclair. I think Mclean will be delisted and Sinclair will be our FWD/RCK option when Reid/Franklin are unavailable.

                        I'd like to see us pick up P McCartin now as well.

                        Hopefully we can have some sort of forward line from Franklin, Reid, P McCartin and Sinclair.

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                        • Swanny79
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Nov 2020
                          • 23

                          McDonald or Hollands, Campbell, Gulden

                          Hickey and P McCartin

                          No draft point deficit for 2021

                          I'll be satisfied with that result

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                          • Mark26
                            Senior Player
                            • Jan 2017
                            • 1535

                            In the end, I think the trade outcome is okay. I'd be the first to admit I'm not objective, particularly with someone like AA. I love watching him play (except when he has a case of the fumbles). We have plenty of defensive cover too. I still think AA is a better player then what we received for him.

                            If we can walk away with a ruckman, gun player at pick 3, and two highly rated academy boys with a possible Paddy McCartin thrown in, I think we've done okay.

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                            • Thunder Shaker
                              Aut vincere aut mori
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4154

                              Deal done ... Hickey becomes four-club player after Swans swoop
                              In: Hickey, pick 34, pick 60
                              Out: Future 2nd round (tied to Port), Future 3rd round, pick 58, pick 62

                              Net gain of 395 points in this year's draft.

                              (Edit to correct, I previously had 293 as the points gain, this is the totals of picks 58 and 62, not the difference)
                              Last edited by Thunder Shaker; 11 November 2020, 06:00 PM.
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                              • MattW
                                Veterans List
                                • May 2011
                                • 4193

                                Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                                I think people forget two things with this deal. Hickey is a reasonable tap ruckman (no star, but better at it than Sinclair), and if you watched our midfield in rd1 when Naismith played, a good tap ruckman makes a substantial difference.

                                That is structural problem number one.

                                And Sinclair is better as a forward, pinch hitting in the ruck. And given the uncertainty over Bud's body, Reid's variability, and the shift of McCartin to defence (apparently), we have freed him up to play more forward.

                                That is structural problem number two.

                                Yes, we had to give a bit, but sometimes you have to. And we did so in a way that kept us pick 3, and boosted points for the academy bids.
                                Great summary.

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                                Originally posted by Swanny79
                                totally agree, Hickey is a much better tap ruckman than Sinclair. I think Mclean will be delisted and Sinclair will be our FWD/RCK option when Reid/Franklin are unavailable.

                                I'd like to see us pick up P McCartin now as well.

                                Hopefully we can have some sort of forward line from Franklin, Reid, P McCartin and Sinclair.
                                Agree with all of that.

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